personnel changing ratings

panda234 · 10-24-2018, 03:13 PM

I upgraded my scouting and hitting coaches on a minor league team but when I signed the contract and they moved to my team their ratings went down before they even started. Can this happen or did I misread it somehow?

Trauma One · 10-24-2018, 05:49 PM

Do you mean the coach reputation (fair/poor/etc) or do you mean the ratings in the editor?

panda234 · 10-24-2018, 06:04 PM

The fair/poor.I guess I should really be using the ratings in the editor?

Trauma One · 10-24-2018, 06:24 PM

The reputation is only based on how successful the coaches teams have been in the past - not how "good" of a coach he is. If the team does well, their reputation goes up and vice versa.

The ratings in the editor will show how effective the coach really is. You can get a clue based on the verbage on the coach. For managers you can also see their poor/below average/average/good etc abilities for player development and morale.

There are varied opinions on how cheating it is to look at the editor ratings.

NoOne · 10-27-2018, 02:39 PM

coach ratings do chagne over time.. but nothing like players.

e.g. you wont have a 180's/200 coach drop to 50/200 or even 150/200 after 30-40 years. well maybe an outlier could? point is it's a slow 1-2 tick change per year, if at all... that's based on the past, not "'19."

probably more akin to how personality changes.. but i think that's afected by TCR (random talent change feature) where as coaches are not influenced by TCR.

since the removed visibility, they may have reduced their effect? i hope.

i actively edit coach strategy of whomever i hire. i simply don't care if it's cheating. i don't worry much about the unseen ratings anymore.

my coach is a digital mini-me, anyway. make a new one every 20-30years or so.

panda234 · 10-28-2018, 05:04 PM

I'm editing mine now too. It is a little unnerving to not have any clue about what the important stats are and not to be able to do anything about them. I would expect in future releases there will be some kind of mechanic for being able to understand and then choose among tradeoffs in coaching attributes.

NoOne · 10-30-2018, 02:40 PM

well, they used to be visible. the change is that they are not visible anymore, unfortunately. are the still meaningful? diminished? deprecated? no idea. for a head coach you can at least focus on the strategy he employs. even if the ratings still matter, that strategy probably has a stronger effect even so.

the focus/preference of a coach is important to development/relationships too.

you don't have to worry about sliders for trading, budgets, et al. -- just the coach related sliders. just like a scout doesn't care about the gm sliders.

although, i do set the roster preferences for the coach.. not sure if it has an effect. e.g. i like a skew toward favoring younger players.

One Post Wonder · 11-07-2018, 04:46 PM

With a manager, you can click on the 'relationships' tab to get an idea of how good they are at developing/interacting with your players. When you combine that with their strategic tendencies I think managers are handled pretty well.

I've been complaining about coaches ever since they made the ratings invisible. Not only do you not know what you're signing, but even if they've been with you for years you have no idea if they're helping anybody or how much. I don't get this mechanic at all. It bugs me every new release.

I can't be bothered to continually use the editor so I'll usually get focused pitching and batting coaches. That focus depends on my team and the environment (high scoring/bad defensive roster I focus on power pitchers for example). Then I make an extra effort to sign power pitchers, or whatever to match the coach. Because even if the coach is bad, I reason that if they're a specialist, teaching their specialist personnel, they'll at least do a somewhat decent job.

NoOne · 11-08-2018, 12:59 PM

the relationship tab is more about which rating is higher, not neccessarily how hight that rating is.

e.g. unless it changed -> take "50/100" and "10/200" for somethign that affects relationships... then compare a "150/200" to that same 10/200 -- it will say the same things... they are better with X and the relationship tab will reflect that.

but, it's still low rating, nonetheless... it tells you a bit of the story, but not enough to make any rational assumption.

just load up the minors with custom coaches

. i'd actually like to compare a system of 200's to 50's and see if clones players are less likely to devleope or not... i think they've at least been diminished in effect.

10-24-2018, 03:13 PM	#1
panda234 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 264	personnel changing ratings I upgraded my scouting and hitting coaches on a minor league team but when I signed the contract and they moved to my team their ratings went down before they even started. Can this happen or did I misread it somehow?

10-27-2018, 02:39 PM	#5
NoOne Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,167	coach ratings do chagne over time.. but nothing like players. e.g. you wont have a 180's/200 coach drop to 50/200 or even 150/200 after 30-40 years. well maybe an outlier could? point is it's a slow 1-2 tick change per year, if at all... that's based on the past, not "'19." probably more akin to how personality changes.. but i think that's afected by TCR (random talent change feature) where as coaches are not influenced by TCR. since the removed visibility, they may have reduced their effect? i hope. i actively edit coach strategy of whomever i hire. i simply don't care if it's cheating. i don't worry much about the unseen ratings anymore. my coach is a digital mini-me, anyway. make a new one every 20-30years or so. Last edited by NoOne; 10-27-2018 at 02:41 PM.

10-24-2018, 05:49 PM	#2
Trauma One Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 30	Do you mean the coach reputation (fair/poor/etc) or do you mean the ratings in the editor?

10-24-2018, 06:04 PM	#3
panda234 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 264	The fair/poor.I guess I should really be using the ratings in the editor?

10-24-2018, 06:24 PM	#4
Trauma One Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 30	The reputation is only based on how successful the coaches teams have been in the past - not how "good" of a coach he is. If the team does well, their reputation goes up and vice versa. The ratings in the editor will show how effective the coach really is. You can get a clue based on the verbage on the coach. For managers you can also see their poor/below average/average/good etc abilities for player development and morale. There are varied opinions on how cheating it is to look at the editor ratings.

10-28-2018, 05:04 PM	#6
panda234 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 264	I'm editing mine now too. It is a little unnerving to not have any clue about what the important stats are and not to be able to do anything about them. I would expect in future releases there will be some kind of mechanic for being able to understand and then choose among tradeoffs in coaching attributes.

10-30-2018, 02:40 PM	#7
NoOne Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,167	well, they used to be visible. the change is that they are not visible anymore, unfortunately. are the still meaningful? diminished? deprecated? no idea. for a head coach you can at least focus on the strategy he employs. even if the ratings still matter, that strategy probably has a stronger effect even so. the focus/preference of a coach is important to development/relationships too. you don't have to worry about sliders for trading, budgets, et al. -- just the coach related sliders. just like a scout doesn't care about the gm sliders. although, i do set the roster preferences for the coach.. not sure if it has an effect. e.g. i like a skew toward favoring younger players.

11-07-2018, 04:46 PM	#8
One Post Wonder All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 538	With a manager, you can click on the 'relationships' tab to get an idea of how good they are at developing/interacting with your players. When you combine that with their strategic tendencies I think managers are handled pretty well. I've been complaining about coaches ever since they made the ratings invisible. Not only do you not know what you're signing, but even if they've been with you for years you have no idea if they're helping anybody or how much. I don't get this mechanic at all. It bugs me every new release. I can't be bothered to continually use the editor so I'll usually get focused pitching and batting coaches. That focus depends on my team and the environment (high scoring/bad defensive roster I focus on power pitchers for example). Then I make an extra effort to sign power pitchers, or whatever to match the coach. Because even if the coach is bad, I reason that if they're a specialist, teaching their specialist personnel, they'll at least do a somewhat decent job.

11-08-2018, 12:59 PM	#9
NoOne Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,167	the relationship tab is more about which rating is higher, not neccessarily how hight that rating is. e.g. unless it changed -> take "50/100" and "10/200" for somethign that affects relationships... then compare a "150/200" to that same 10/200 -- it will say the same things... they are better with X and the relationship tab will reflect that. but, it's still low rating, nonetheless... it tells you a bit of the story, but not enough to make any rational assumption. just load up the minors with custom coaches . i'd actually like to compare a system of 200's to 50's and see if clones players are less likely to devleope or not... i think they've at least been diminished in effect.