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05-18-2009, 01:19 AM | #1 |
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Roaring 20s
I mentioned to john Dewey that one project I'll be working on will involve rating fighters whose records appeared in TS Andrews" Ring battles of the Centuries published in 1924. There are about 100 guys that were name fighters from this era that were in this record compendium that aren't in the game. They'll start appearing in this thread. I'll use some other resources as well and post some additional fighters from this era.
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05-18-2009, 01:21 AM | #2 |
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Irish Irving Goldberg
Just read NEVER A CHAMPION
memoirs of Anchell Irving published in 1974 by Vangage Press Irving fought in the 20s as Irving Goldberg, Irish Irving Goldberg, and was pitched to the public as The Irish Jew Raised in East New York (Brownsville) he began boxing as a pro there. Fought in Boston briefly and then moved to Cincinnati where he was managed by Biddy Bishop. I'd estimate that he had at least twice as many bouts as are listed in boxrec and base my rating on that source and his memoirs. He claimed to have begun as a pro with 2 wins and 6 draws in his first 8 bouts. The 6 draws were against southpaws. I'm reasonably sure that the following two records in boxrec are for him Irving Goldberg 1923-1927 Global ID 188999 sex male division lightweight nationality United States residence Cincinnati, Ohio, United States won 10 (KO 4) + lost 6 (KO 2) + drawn 5 = 21 rounds boxed 103 : KO% 19.05 Also Brooklyn, NY Irving Goldberg 1922 Global ID 330729 sex male division lightweight nationality United States residence New York, New York, United States won 0 (KO 0) + lost 1 (KO 0) + drawn 2 = 3 rounds boxed 14 : KO% 0 Irish Irving Goldberg LW either 4
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Willie Angelo
Willie Angelo
1921-1931 Global ID 81201 sex male division welterweight nationality United States residence Stamford, Connecticut, United States won 21 (KO 4) + lost 21 (KO 5) + drawn 7 = 49 rounds boxed 309 : KO% 8.16 Willie Angelo WW boxer 0 Was an early "name" fought by Goldberg Called a Connecticut "champ"
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Sammy Sandow
Sammy Sandow
1915-1928 Global ID 53379 sex male division featherweight nationality United States residence Cincinnati, Ohio, United States won 33 (KO 8) + lost 26 (KO 4) + drawn 13 = 75 rounds boxed 676 : KO% 10.67 Sammy Sandow FW boxer 4 stablemate of Goldberg's managed by Biddy Bishop
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Gentleman Jimmy Moore
1921-1932 Global ID 87031 sex male division middleweight nationality United States residence Cincinnati, Ohio, United States won 31 (KO 7) + lost 26 (KO 2) + drawn 7 = 64 rounds boxed 422 : KO% 10.94 stablemate of Irving Goldberg under Biddy Bishop Gentleman Jimmy Moore MW boxer 2
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KO Mars - conditioning
Another of Goldberg's stablemates under Bishop's management was KO Mars.
Mars is in the stock database. I suggest changing his conditioning rating to 5 from the 1 given by the development team. Mars and Sandow were party animals and the slogan "KO Mars goes out with stars" his favorite training habit bear
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Alex Novecky
Alex Novecky
1921-1925 Global ID 51008 sex male division lightweight nationality Lithuania residence Cincinnati, Ohio, United States won 14 (KO 6) + lost 10 (KO 1) + drawn 4 = 29 rounds boxed 200 : KO% 20.69 stablemate of Goldberg under Biddy Bishop management Alex Novecky LW boxer 0
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Phil Herkert
Phil Herkert
1924-1930 Global ID 88845 sex male division light heavyweight nationality United States alias Young Herkert residence Cincinnati, Ohio, United States birth place Germany won 6 (KO 3) + lost 12 (KO 6) + drawn 3 = 21 rounds boxed 115 : KO% 14.29 called Phil Herpert, Phil Herbert, and Phil Herget stablemate of Goldberg under Biddy Bishop management Phil Herkert LHW slugger 0
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Tommy Hayes
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1921-1922 Global ID 199848 sex male division lightweight nationality United States residence New York, New York, United States won 0 (KO 0) + lost 5 (KO 3) + drawn 1 = 6 rounds boxed 29 : KO% 0 given the draw result with Irving Goldberg I'm assuming that this fighter was one of Goldberg's southpaw opponents Tommy Hayes LW boxer 0
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Terry Clinton
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1921-1922 Global ID 332263 sex male division featherweight nationality United States residence Brooklyn, New York, United States won 1 (KO 0) + lost 0 (KO 0) + drawn 2 = 3 rounds boxed 20 : KO% 0 given the draw result with Irving Goldberg I'mm assuming that this fighter was one of Goldberg's southpaw opponents Terry Clinton FW boxer 2
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Willie Johnson
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1923-1925 Global ID 312816 sex male division welterweight nationality United States residence Brooklyn, New York, United States won 0 (KO 0) + lost 3 (KO 1) + drawn 1 = 4 rounds boxed 17 : KO% 0 given the draw result with Irving Goldberg I'mm assuming that this fighter was one of Goldberg's southpaw opponents Willie Johnson WW boxer 0
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Lew Goldberg
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1922-1929 Global ID 41079 sex male division bantamweight nationality United States alias Midget Goldberg residence New York, New York, United States won 14 (KO 1) + lost 34 (KO 4) + drawn 10 = 60 rounds boxed 358 : KO% 1.67 110 - 131 lbs Lew Goldberg BW boxer 0 found in boxrec while looking for Irv Goldberg
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Willie Suess
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1922-1935 Global ID 57126 sex male division featherweight nationality United States residence Brownsville, New York, United States won 20 (KO 7) + lost 14 (KO 0) + drawn 3 = 37 rounds boxed 194 : KO% 18.92 118 - 123.5 lbs Pro fighter who grew up in Brownsville along with Irving Goldberg Willie Suess FW either 2
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Barney Schiff
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1921-1923 Global ID 325323 sex male division lightweight nationality United States residence New York, New York, United States won 2 (KO 1) + lost 1 (KO 0) + drawn 1 = 4 rounds boxed 13 : KO% 25 New York AAU champ beat Irving Goldberg in an amateur tilt Noted for a shift and hook, The Schiff Shift. Barney Schiff LW slugger 3
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Joe Vestri
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1923-1925 Global ID 225025 sex male won 0 (KO 0) + lost 1 (KO 0) + drawn 1 = 2 rounds boxed 10 : KO% 0 Brooklyn, NY ? BW ? Brother of Johnny Vestri. Both fighters grew up with Irving Goldberg Joe Vestri BW boxer 0
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Chick Hayes
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1911-1920 Global ID 55059 sex male division featherweight nationality United States residence Indianapolis, Indiana, United States birth name Adolph Koske won 25 (KO 2) + lost 32 (KO 6) + drawn 12 = 71 rounds boxed 669 : KO% 2.82 moved to Boston as trainer and gym owner Irving Goldberg briefly boxed for him Chick Hayes FW boxer 1
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1922-1924 Global ID 317785 sex male division lightweight nationality United States residence New York, New York, United States won 2 (KO 0) + lost 2 (KO 0) + drawn 1 = 5 rounds boxed 24 : KO% 0 Irving Goldberg claims a 4 round Ko win vs. Reynolds in Brockton, MA Johnny Reynolds LW boxer 0
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1913-1922 Global ID 11232 sex male division middleweight residence Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, United States birth name Harvey Sherbine won 0 (KO 0) + lost 4 (KO 1) + drawn 0 = 4 rounds boxed 24 : KO% 0 aka Young Sherbine early opponent of Harry Greb Battling Sherbine MW slugger 0
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1924-1932 Global ID 9830 sex male division lightweight nationality United States residence Brooklyn, New York, United States won 25 (KO 4) + lost 20 (KO 6) + drawn 7 = 53 rounds boxed 369 : KO% 7.55 fighter that grew up with Irving Goldberg bear Bobby Burns LW boxer 2
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1920-1923 Global ID 131420 sex male division featherweight nationality United States residence Bronx, New York, United States won 5 (KO 0) + lost 14 (KO 1) + drawn 2 = 21 rounds boxed 166 : KO% 0 Charley Hayes FW boxer 0
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