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mh2365 · 03-19-2006, 04:14 PM

Got a list for my universe ... if you don't mind !!!

Albert Lurie #32183
tom mccormick 52894
pat bradley 115723
alf morey 85632
sapper o'neill 125096
jack blake 39867
frank loughrey 12294
jerry delaney 250231
pat mcenroy 128357
curley walker 18015
dai roberts 13732
young nipper 32219
harry thomas 60050
ted nelson 121084
frank perron 63862
robert eustache 32212
biddy bishop 17506
young wagner 60049
johnny daly 52555
johnny solzberg 52591
robert dastillon 18007
jack fox 170505
sam keller 13807
albert cocksedge 170502
curly osborne 170495
billy kyne 13786
Thanks alot as usual

djday45 · 03-19-2006, 06:50 PM

lol ok will get started on them

rgds
Dean

mh2365 · 03-19-2006, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djday45

lol ok will get started on them

rgds
Dean

Thanks Dean

mh2365 · 04-02-2006, 10:56 AM

Any update Dean?

JCWeb · 04-03-2006, 01:39 AM

... I, too, would be interested in Tom McCormick, assuming we are talking about the Irish WW champion who was killed in WW I -- another fighter not on MH's list I'm interested in (perhaps MH has him from somewhere already) is Mick King, an Australian MW title claimant whose career started in 1911. (sorry don't know how to retrieve boxrec numbers)

Anyone with TBDX files with ratings for either of these boxers, please post them here.

mh2365 · 04-03-2006, 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCWeb

... I, too, would be interested in Tom McCormick, assuming we are talking about the Irish WW champion who was killed in WW I -- another fighter not on MH's list I'm interested in (perhaps MH has him from somewhere already) is Mick King, an Australian MW title claimant whose career started in 1911. (sorry don't know how to retrieve boxrec numbers)

Anyone with TBDX files with ratings for either of these boxers, please post them here.

Mick King boxrec is 72918, that is the same McCormick on my list. When I look for filler guys for my universe I have no reasoning behind it. Sometimes it's because someone posts a picture, but most of the time it is just by sifting through boxrec.

JCWeb · 04-03-2006, 08:23 PM

... in my Ring Record Book from about 25 years ago. They are about the only ones from that era I haven't found ratings for, either in the game, cornerwork, or posted here on this board.

mh2365 · 05-10-2006, 04:03 PM

Anyone heard from Dean lately???

mh2365 · 05-25-2006, 12:11 PM

It looks like Dean is MIA .... anyone else want to take a stab at the above list for me ... I've got a month left. I'll end up making them but I put very little scientific effort into it, so if any of the real file makers care to take them on I would appreciate it.

mh2365 · 05-25-2006, 12:12 PM

Quick note ... when I look for new guys to bring into my uni (I like at least 4 per weight class every year) I will just go through boxrec on guys currently in my uni and look at guys they fought. So I know little or nothing about these guys nor do I usually have a picture.

JCWeb · 05-25-2006, 10:44 PM

... not having heard from DJ, I am going ahead and started working on rating the two guys I am most interested (Mick King and Tom McCormick) and will post them when done, probably in a week or two, and I will look at the other guys on mh's list, too. I also saw McCormick (I assume it's the same one, since I don't know how to retrieve those five-digit BoxRec numbers from the site) on Chris Conn's most recent (Photos Without Files thread) list so maybe someone else will post him there as well.

mh2365 · 05-26-2006, 05:48 AM

Thanks JC ... I will rate these guys at the end of my year and post them but all I do is go by their boxrec page and just figure out what overall I think they should be at ... I don't do any testing or anything with them.

vistaman44 · 05-26-2006, 07:19 AM

... just for Mike. An interesting guy!

vistaman44 · 05-26-2006, 07:21 AM

... oldtimer from the 1930s some of you may want -- Victor Vallee. I have a pic somewhere, too. Will hunt for it ...

vistaman44 · 05-26-2006, 07:26 AM

pic

JCWeb · 05-26-2006, 02:40 PM

thanks, Vistaman for posting Mick King who is one the guys I've been interested in for when his year-start (1912) rolls around in my uni in another month or so. I am curious though why you have him rated a 3 overall, because in my working file I had him tentatively pegged alot a higher, around an 8, after all he did beat some guys like Christie and Billy Murray (both 8s in my uni) as well as taking 1 of 3 bouts from Jeff Smith (rated 10). Of course, he had alot of less than stellar outings as well, all of which makes him a bit difficult to rate. I have had similar issues with ratings of other guys who held titles during the same time period, notably LW Jimmy Britt and WW Honey Mellody, guys who just haven't made it to the top as they did in real life. Of course, this probably illustrates the problem of rating guys who noone has seen in real life since the time period covered (early 20th Century) was so long ago, and there's not much in the written records to go by in many cases.

All of which could be a segway into a discussion of how people go about rating boxers to be added to the game ...

djday45 · 05-26-2006, 02:43 PM

hey guys,
rumors of my demise are untrue! lol just been very busy with work and also new pc so not much time at the moment for TB sob.

sorry Mike for not being able to rate the guys for you wil lbe back on the case soon.

rgds
Dean

vistaman44 · 05-26-2006, 05:09 PM

"I am curious though why you have him rated a 3 overall, because in my working file I had him tentatively pegged alot a higher, around an 8, after all he did beat some guys like Christie and Billy Murray (both 8s in my uni) as well as taking 1 of 3 bouts from Jeff Smith (rated 10). Of course, he had alot of less than stellar outings as well, all of which makes him a bit difficult to rate. I have had similar issues with ratings of other guys who held titles during the same time period, notably LW Jimmy Britt and WW Honey Mellody, guys who just haven't made it to the top as they did in real life. Of course, this probably illustrates the problem of rating guys who noone has seen in real life since the time period covered (early 20th Century) was so long ago, and there's not much in the written records to go by in many cases." --- JCWeb said

As the lawyers say, asked and answered. It's kind of like Jose Legra and some of the other low-rated champs in TBCB. They jumped up and won big ones, or had overall strong records, but also had some horrendous outings and losses that tarnished their titles. King had a .500 overall record and was beaten by people he shouldn't have lost to ... on paper ... which "balances out" the big wins. Hard to justify any higher rating under those circumstances.

SAL · 05-27-2006, 04:38 PM

Dai Roberts

SAL · 05-27-2006, 04:41 PM

pic for Dai Roberts

03-19-2006, 04:14 PM	#1
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	ping: djday Got a list for my universe ... if you don't mind !!! Albert Lurie #32183 tom mccormick 52894 pat bradley 115723 alf morey 85632 sapper o'neill 125096 jack blake 39867 frank loughrey 12294 jerry delaney 250231 pat mcenroy 128357 curley walker 18015 dai roberts 13732 young nipper 32219 harry thomas 60050 ted nelson 121084 frank perron 63862 robert eustache 32212 biddy bishop 17506 young wagner 60049 johnny daly 52555 johnny solzberg 52591 robert dastillon 18007 jack fox 170505 sam keller 13807 albert cocksedge 170502 curly osborne 170495 billy kyne 13786 Thanks alot as usual Last edited by mh2365; 06-14-2006 at 06:13 AM.

04-03-2006, 01:39 AM	#5
JCWeb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,042	Interested in a Couple of These Guys ... ... I, too, would be interested in Tom McCormick, assuming we are talking about the Irish WW champion who was killed in WW I -- another fighter not on MH's list I'm interested in (perhaps MH has him from somewhere already) is Mick King, an Australian MW title claimant whose career started in 1911. (sorry don't know how to retrieve boxrec numbers) Anyone with TBDX files with ratings for either of these boxers, please post them here.

04-03-2006, 08:23 PM	#7
JCWeb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,042	These Two Guys Are Listed as Champions ... ... in my Ring Record Book from about 25 years ago. They are about the only ones from that era I haven't found ratings for, either in the game, cornerwork, or posted here on this board.

05-25-2006, 10:44 PM	#11
JCWeb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,042	Working on two of these guys ... ... not having heard from DJ, I am going ahead and started working on rating the two guys I am most interested (Mick King and Tom McCormick) and will post them when done, probably in a week or two, and I will look at the other guys on mh's list, too. I also saw McCormick (I assume it's the same one, since I don't know how to retrieve those five-digit BoxRec numbers from the site) on Chris Conn's most recent (Photos Without Files thread) list so maybe someone else will post him there as well.

05-26-2006, 07:26 AM	#15
vistaman44 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Auxvasse, Mo. Posts: 3,576	Victor Vallee pic Attached Images __________________ ---Mark (vistaman44) http://www.fistication.blogspot.com/ "What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters, compared to what lies within us." — Ralph Waldo Emerson, American essayist, philosopher and poet (1803-1882) ----------------------------------- Currently operating 1970s SM-HW, 1940s, African, 1980s LW and women's boxing universes

03-19-2006, 06:50 PM	#2
djday45 All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,502	lol ok will get started on them rgds Dean

04-02-2006, 10:56 AM	#4
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Any update Dean?

05-10-2006, 04:03 PM	#8
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Anyone heard from Dean lately???

05-25-2006, 12:11 PM	#9
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	It looks like Dean is MIA .... anyone else want to take a stab at the above list for me ... I've got a month left. I'll end up making them but I put very little scientific effort into it, so if any of the real file makers care to take them on I would appreciate it.

05-25-2006, 12:12 PM	#10
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Quick note ... when I look for new guys to bring into my uni (I like at least 4 per weight class every year) I will just go through boxrec on guys currently in my uni and look at guys they fought. So I know little or nothing about these guys nor do I usually have a picture.

05-26-2006, 05:48 AM	#12
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Thanks JC ... I will rate these guys at the end of my year and post them but all I do is go by their boxrec page and just figure out what overall I think they should be at ... I don't do any testing or anything with them.

05-26-2006, 02:40 PM	#16
JCWeb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,042	thanks for posting Mick King thanks, Vistaman for posting Mick King who is one the guys I've been interested in for when his year-start (1912) rolls around in my uni in another month or so. I am curious though why you have him rated a 3 overall, because in my working file I had him tentatively pegged alot a higher, around an 8, after all he did beat some guys like Christie and Billy Murray (both 8s in my uni) as well as taking 1 of 3 bouts from Jeff Smith (rated 10). Of course, he had alot of less than stellar outings as well, all of which makes him a bit difficult to rate. I have had similar issues with ratings of other guys who held titles during the same time period, notably LW Jimmy Britt and WW Honey Mellody, guys who just haven't made it to the top as they did in real life. Of course, this probably illustrates the problem of rating guys who noone has seen in real life since the time period covered (early 20th Century) was so long ago, and there's not much in the written records to go by in many cases. All of which could be a segway into a discussion of how people go about rating boxers to be added to the game ...

05-26-2006, 02:43 PM	#17
djday45 All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,502	hey guys, rumors of my demise are untrue! lol just been very busy with work and also new pc so not much time at the moment for TB sob. sorry Mike for not being able to rate the guys for you wil lbe back on the case soon. rgds Dean

05-26-2006, 05:09 PM	#18
vistaman44 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Auxvasse, Mo. Posts: 3,576	"I am curious though why you have him rated a 3 overall, because in my working file I had him tentatively pegged alot a higher, around an 8, after all he did beat some guys like Christie and Billy Murray (both 8s in my uni) as well as taking 1 of 3 bouts from Jeff Smith (rated 10). Of course, he had alot of less than stellar outings as well, all of which makes him a bit difficult to rate. I have had similar issues with ratings of other guys who held titles during the same time period, notably LW Jimmy Britt and WW Honey Mellody, guys who just haven't made it to the top as they did in real life. Of course, this probably illustrates the problem of rating guys who noone has seen in real life since the time period covered (early 20th Century) was so long ago, and there's not much in the written records to go by in many cases." --- JCWeb said As the lawyers say, asked and answered. It's kind of like Jose Legra and some of the other low-rated champs in TBCB. They jumped up and won big ones, or had overall strong records, but also had some horrendous outings and losses that tarnished their titles. King had a .500 overall record and was beaten by people he shouldn't have lost to ... on paper ... which "balances out" the big wins. Hard to justify any higher rating under those circumstances. __________________ ---Mark (vistaman44) http://www.fistication.blogspot.com/ "What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters, compared to what lies within us." — Ralph Waldo Emerson, American essayist, philosopher and poet (1803-1882) ----------------------------------- Currently operating 1970s SM-HW, 1940s, African, 1980s LW and women's boxing universes Last edited by vistaman44; 05-27-2006 at 09:02 AM.

05-27-2006, 04:41 PM	#20
SAL Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Joplin MO Posts: 5,732	pic for Dai Roberts Attached Images