Low average high OBP

[BaseballGoodToMe]

How do you feel about a player like that? Good for runs bad for RBIs, would you use them?

[Bluenoser]

As opposed to high avg, low Obp? - I'll take option 1 (High Obp) everyday please.

[Brad K]

I consider OBP more important than BA

[swoboda]

Objective #1 = get on base without forcing an out

[fightingirish595]

Originally Posted by BaseballGoodToMe

How do you feel about a player like that? Good for runs bad for RBIs, would you use them?

Can you be more specific? It also depends on the rest of the lineup.

Bye more specific i mean throw some exact averages and OBPs at me.

Ill gladly take a 300 average 335 OBP type over a 250 hitter with a 350 OBP.

most guys who hit 300 are going to have 340 plus OBPs. Just one more reason to love 300 hitters

[r0nster]

I go the old school tried and true method … hasn't failed me yet

[fightingirish595]

Originally Posted by r0nster

I go the old school tried and true method … hasn't failed me yet

What exactly is your method

[BaseballGoodToMe]

Originally Posted by fightingirish595

Can you be more specific? It also depends on the rest of the lineup.

Bye more specific i mean throw some exact averages and OBPs at me.

Ill gladly take a 300 average 335 OBP type over a 250 hitter with a 350 OBP.

most guys who hit 300 are going to have 340 plus OBPs. Just one more reason to love 300 hitters

Two specific examples from my game, same player;


.196/.345, 18 HRs(rookie season of a recent rule 5 pick)


.233/.365 35 HRs(his AAA stats the year before)

[fightingirish595]

Originally Posted by BaseballGoodToMe

Two specific examples from my game, same player;


.196/.345, 18 HRs(rookie season of a recent rule 5 pick)


.233/.365 35 HRs(his AAA stats the year before)

If he maintains that OBP, he definitely has some value at the bottom of youre lineup, I personally wouldn’t bat him higher than 7th.

Seems like a guy without a lot of power. That discrepancy is usually something I see with players with 300 ABs or less. How many ABs did he have

[BaseballGoodToMe]

487 PA, 392 AB. I was expecting more power, maybe not the 35 HRs from AAA, but 25 or so. He's a first baseman and this year's #1 draft pick will be next year's starter there. This guy was middle of the lineup but it was a rebuild year and my good hitters got traded for prospects. I'll let him compete for DH role next spring.

[texasmame]

I'm down with OBP.

[Drstrangelove]

A guy with low BA and high OBP could be slow or fast, strong or weak, a good fielder or a bad one, be able to play SS, C or CF, or be a DH. So, it's not that simple. Today, BA is around .248 and OBP is around .318. If I change them by 5% (up and down), I get one guy who is .235 / .334 and another guy at .261 / .302. If the latter has a lot more speed and power, and can play CF, and the former is a slow DH, I'll take high BA and low OBP.

As a rule, I go with whichever player gives me the best chance of winning regardless.

[r0nster]

Originally Posted by fightingirish595

What exactly is your method

Try using stats that we cared about before we got so inundated with the crazy statistical stuff. basically stats that most used before 1995. Stats people use today to me tell only one little bit of information. To me todays stats most people on here care about is window dressing. Nice to see but does nothing for what I look for and like to see. As the saying goes each to their own. I have seen in real life teams in various sports using old school methods and succeeding far more often than those using new school tactics

[Brad K]

That kind of offensive ability isn't acceptable for DH or 1B.

[fightingirish595]

Originally Posted by r0nster

Try using stats that we cared about before we got so inundated with the crazy statistical stuff. basically stats that most used before 1995. Stats people use today to me tell only one little bit of information. To me todays stats most people on here care about is window dressing. Nice to see but does nothing for what I look for and like to see. As the saying goes each to their own. I have seen in real life teams in various sports using old school methods and succeeding far more often than those using new school tactics

I am a traditional stats kind of guy too

[Curve Ball Dave]

Originally Posted by fightingirish595

I am a traditional stats kind of guy too

Same here. You run all of these numbers, come up all of these metrics, and guess what, George Brett was still a good hitter and Mick Kelleher wasn't.

[whaleheader]

Not for nothing but if you ignore the "new stats" you aren't maximizing your team's chances. Of course, if you only focus on the "new stats" you aren't maximizing your team's chances. By integrating the available data intelligently (using the specific data for the insight it provides) you'll be able to do a better job getting wins.

As for the original question from the thread...in isolation without knowing more about your team, I can't answer your question. Players don't operate in isolation. They are part of a lineup. As such the players who surround them will impact the value of their plate appearances.

The core issue is, there are two primary components of scoring runs: 1) Getting on base, and 2) driving runs in. If you have too much of the former and not enough of the later, your run scoring efficiency won't produce the run scoring you might expect. The opposite arrangement will also underperform.

So, a team with high slugging and low OBP would benefit from a player who can get on base more, while a team filled with such players can better use a player can more runners along more, especially one with thump.

Also as guys have mentioned, the shape of a player's performance matters. A player with a high OBP driven by walks will often underperform if not surrounded by players with decent averages.

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Regarding the player moving between levels...how much does he strikeout? Which parks did the player play in AAA and MLB? As a general rule of thumb players lose around 18% of value moving up a level. That value will be higher if the player strikes out a lot and moves from a good run environment to a poorer run environment.

My $.02. (Your exchange rate may vary.)

[BaseballGoodToMe]

Old thread I know, but just looked at the player's stats with Yankees(he lost his spot with me in Spring, spent a month in AAA and then got traded for a LOOGY prospect). As of September 18th he's .232/.362/.493 with 23 HRs in 373 PAs. Those extra 40 points of BA and 130 points of SLG put him at what I'm willing to accept. He's a passable 1B, no gold glover, garbage in the outfield but the AI manager apparently finds his ratings acceptable enough to play(6/20 in left, 4/20 in right).

[jimmysthebestcop]

I pretty much only look at WOBA, WRC+ and OPS+