"simming ahead" in online leagues

waltwa · 07-30-2015, 11:49 AM

I was just looking for an online league to join. I was going thru the rules of a new league and I saw that "simming ahead" by a gm would result in expulsion from the league.

I have thought in some leagues that simming ahead is done by gm's. I have no idea if it, in fact, is done or even if it can be done by a non-gm, but I was struck that it came up in the rules of a league.Is it possible to sim ahead (and not be the commissioner) and get an idea of what players or prospects will develop positively or negatively and thus prosper in an online league.?

Tyler87898 · 07-30-2015, 12:39 PM

In previous versions, there used to be a way to sim ahead by clicking on future dates at the top part of the screen where it shows upcoming games. I don't think there is a way to do it on OOTP 16 without being the commish.

waltwa · 07-30-2015, 12:48 PM

wow so it was possible. I assume u could then sim ahead at all levels and watch the success or lackof success of all players in the league. I am glad to hear its not possible in 16 but we are talking about computers!!

TGH-Adfabre · 07-30-2015, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by waltwa

wow so it was possible. I assume u could then sim ahead at all levels and watch the success or lackof success of all players in the league. I am glad to hear its not possible in 16 but we are talking about computers!!

It does not provide the value you would think. No 2 sims are alike, many sims are not even remotely similar. Injuries and development are not predetermined. Injury "ratings" and personality are viewable by any GM. A lot of what people would glean from this can be guessed by looking at true ratings.

waltwa · 07-30-2015, 03:49 PM

you re probably right but I still am glad that acc to earlier post it is not possible in 16. apparently there were some complaints about it.

I know from my solo league experience that 1yr is different from the same year repeated but still.......

TGH-Adfabre · 07-30-2015, 05:30 PM

In our league it is a bannable offense.

waltwa · 07-30-2015, 05:48 PM

why is it a bannable offense? does it give the advance simmer an advantage? if yes how?

I agree tho it should be bannable but I am curious as to the exact advantage

Bluenoser · 07-30-2015, 06:18 PM

This is a horse that was beaten to death a long, long time ago.

It's been many versions since it was possible to do this, so why even worry about it?

As previously pointed out, it wasn't reliable anyway since no 2 sims are alike.

waltwa · 07-30-2015, 06:37 PM

I have never seen anything about it on this forum. I am curious if it doesn't produce any advantage why is it banned in some leagues. why acc to an earlier post did ootp put a stop to it in 16.

I have no idea how it was done or if it produced an advantage - its just that when looking at a league const I noticed it was addressed which led me to believe that at least 2 leagues suspected a possible advantage.

battists · 07-30-2015, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waltwa

I have never seen anything about it on this forum. I am curious if it doesn't produce any advantage why is it banned in some leagues. why acc to an earlier post did ootp put a stop to it in 16.

It was banned because it at least has the APPEARANCE of producing an advantage.

Even if no two sims are the same, if a player sims ahead and elects to choose a certain pitcher in the draft as a result, and the player DOES turn out to be good in the online league, then it certainly SEEMS unfair. It's also clearly outside the bounds of "spirit of fair play."

battists · 07-30-2015, 06:41 PM

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I see a parallel with betting on baseball.

Think about it: betting on baseball itself gives no competitive advantage. The main reason Rose is banned is because there was a perception that he could have played/managed differently based on bets and it appeared to be a risk to the integrity of the game.

Same thing here.

waltwa · 07-31-2015, 03:51 PM

I just came across another league that banned simming ahead.

I was in a great league that was really competitive and then I noticed a particular team playing at like .750. now this was the best league I had ever played in and it took all kinds of time to compete and then all of a sudden a team is running away with the league.

when I looked carefully at the team I noticed draftees always lived up to expectations in a league where this was highly improbable due to settings. I further noticed that players traded for always had big ticks in ratings after the trade.

now I have no idea if this was playing ahead but I always felt that something had to account for the outcome. I wondered at the time if it could have been due to breaking into the game and playing with the ratings. I can remember in some early editions that leagues broke up due to comm. messing with the ratings obviously to their advantage but I never thought that a non-comm could change ratings and still would doubt it.

bailey · 07-31-2015, 05:53 PM

The game is not locked down like Ft. Knox.

Bisbo · 07-31-2015, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waltwa

I just came across another league that banned simming ahead.

I was in a great league that was really competitive and then I noticed a particular team playing at like .750. now this was the best league I had ever played in and it took all kinds of time to compete and then all of a sudden a team is running away with the league.

when I looked carefully at the team I noticed draftees always lived up to expectations in a league where this was highly improbable due to settings. I further noticed that players traded for always had big ticks in ratings after the trade.

now I have no idea if this was playing ahead but I always felt that something had to account for the outcome. I wondered at the time if it could have been due to breaking into the game and playing with the ratings. I can remember in some early editions that leagues broke up due to comm. messing with the ratings obviously to their advantage but I never thought that a non-comm could change ratings and still would doubt it.

I've seen the same thing, which caused me to quit a league I had recently joined.

TGH-Adfabre · 07-31-2015, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waltwa

I just came across another league that banned simming ahead.

I was in a great league that was really competitive and then I noticed a particular team playing at like .750. now this was the best league I had ever played in and it took all kinds of time to compete and then all of a sudden a team is running away with the league.

when I looked carefully at the team I noticed draftees always lived up to expectations in a league where this was highly improbable due to settings. I further noticed that players traded for always had big ticks in ratings after the trade.

now I have no idea if this was playing ahead but I always felt that something had to account for the outcome. I wondered at the time if it could have been due to breaking into the game and playing with the ratings. I can remember in some early editions that leagues broke up due to comm. messing with the ratings obviously to their advantage but I never thought that a non-comm could change ratings and still would doubt it.

I have seen similar, the league is still going, the offending party is gone and we are rolling along.
It can be overcome with consistent commissioners.

07-30-2015, 11:49 AM	#1
waltwa All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 902	"simming ahead" in online leagues I was just looking for an online league to join. I was going thru the rules of a new league and I saw that "simming ahead" by a gm would result in expulsion from the league. I have thought in some leagues that simming ahead is done by gm's. I have no idea if it, in fact, is done or even if it can be done by a non-gm, but I was struck that it came up in the rules of a league.Is it possible to sim ahead (and not be the commissioner) and get an idea of what players or prospects will develop positively or negatively and thus prosper in an online league.?

07-30-2015, 05:30 PM	#6
TGH-Adfabre Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,599	In our league it is a bannable offense. __________________ You mock me, therefore I am My wife

07-31-2015, 05:53 PM	#13
bailey Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,128	The game is not locked down like Ft. Knox. __________________

07-30-2015, 12:39 PM	#2
Tyler87898 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 791	In previous versions, there used to be a way to sim ahead by clicking on future dates at the top part of the screen where it shows upcoming games. I don't think there is a way to do it on OOTP 16 without being the commish.

07-30-2015, 12:48 PM	#3
waltwa All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 902	wow so it was possible. I assume u could then sim ahead at all levels and watch the success or lackof success of all players in the league. I am glad to hear its not possible in 16 but we are talking about computers!!

07-30-2015, 03:49 PM	#5
waltwa All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 902	you re probably right but I still am glad that acc to earlier post it is not possible in 16. apparently there were some complaints about it. I know from my solo league experience that 1yr is different from the same year repeated but still.......

07-30-2015, 05:48 PM	#7
waltwa All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 902	why is it a bannable offense? does it give the advance simmer an advantage? if yes how? I agree tho it should be bannable but I am curious as to the exact advantage

07-30-2015, 06:18 PM	#8
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In The Moment Posts: 13,683	This is a horse that was beaten to death a long, long time ago. It's been many versions since it was possible to do this, so why even worry about it? As previously pointed out, it wasn't reliable anyway since no 2 sims are alike.

07-30-2015, 06:37 PM	#9
waltwa All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 902	I have never seen anything about it on this forum. I am curious if it doesn't produce any advantage why is it banned in some leagues. why acc to an earlier post did ootp put a stop to it in 16. I have no idea how it was done or if it produced an advantage - its just that when looking at a league const I noticed it was addressed which led me to believe that at least 2 leagues suspected a possible advantage.

07-30-2015, 06:41 PM	#11
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506 Blog Entries: 7	Actually, the more I think about it, the more I see a parallel with betting on baseball. Think about it: betting on baseball itself gives no competitive advantage. The main reason Rose is banned is because there was a perception that he could have played/managed differently based on bets and it appeared to be a risk to the integrity of the game. Same thing here.

07-31-2015, 03:51 PM	#12
waltwa All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 902	I just came across another league that banned simming ahead. I was in a great league that was really competitive and then I noticed a particular team playing at like .750. now this was the best league I had ever played in and it took all kinds of time to compete and then all of a sudden a team is running away with the league. when I looked carefully at the team I noticed draftees always lived up to expectations in a league where this was highly improbable due to settings. I further noticed that players traded for always had big ticks in ratings after the trade. now I have no idea if this was playing ahead but I always felt that something had to account for the outcome. I wondered at the time if it could have been due to breaking into the game and playing with the ratings. I can remember in some early editions that leagues broke up due to comm. messing with the ratings obviously to their advantage but I never thought that a non-comm could change ratings and still would doubt it.