a just for fun what if - Page 2

Matt Arnold · 02-24-2019, 10:59 PM

I don't think this is a fun what-if at all. But if you're forcing my hand, I think I would quit OOTP if they offered me the commissioner's job. That is what you were asking, right?

actionjackson · 02-24-2019, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Westheim

Why are you so cruel to your fellow humans?

I must pick OOTP.

(cancels MLB.tv subscription while dissolving in tears)

Tough choice for you eh? Your beloved Mets lighting up the transaction wire versus your beloved Raccoons. I guess the good thing for you is that there is no wrong answer.

Ty Cobb · 02-25-2019, 11:28 AM

because real baseball is 240 miles for the Tigers, and my beloved Beach Bums are gone, swept away for the "Pit Spitters". Sweet Crispy Venus on Buttered Toast Points, who the hell picks out these team names?

David Watts · 02-25-2019, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Ty Cobb

because real baseball is 240 miles for the Tigers, and my beloved Beach Bums are gone, swept away for the "Pit Spitters". Sweet Crispy Venus on Buttered Toast Points, who the hell picks out these team names?

I was bummed to hear about the Bums, but I did like the first Pit Spitters logo I saw.

NoOne · 02-25-2019, 02:25 PM

ootp.

my local team is likely a dumpster fire for at least the near future, and i don't have any confidence in ownership.

pecking order of gaming entertainment to lump things together:

RL games (involved, not spectating) > video games > spectating

spectating amounts to unformfortable seating, $10 beers that get warm as ..., and half the time i go i get stuck behind someone with giantism that blocks 1/3rd of my view. plus, it's downtown detroit and smells like one giant open sewer.

if it's colder, you can go steam yourself by standing near a manhole cover... <puked in my mouth a bit>

koohead · 02-25-2019, 03:36 PM

Just for this year correct?
I'm going with MLB for me...I can live with putting my fictional OOTP universe on hold until Oct knowing it'll be right there in the same state I left it.

Reed · 02-25-2019, 04:06 PM

I enjoy OOTP about 300 days a year. I enjoy MLB about 15 days a year. Free Agency, greedy players, greedy owners, DH/non DH, inter league play has ruined MLB for me.
I sadly would have to pick OOTP.

tward13 · 02-25-2019, 05:32 PM

Real Mets games, then OOTP, then the rest of MLB

Germaniac · 03-01-2019, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Reed

I enjoy OOTP about 300 days a year. I enjoy MLB about 15 days a year. Free Agency, greedy players, greedy owners, DH/non DH, inter league play has ruined MLB for me.
I sadly would have to pick OOTP.

I agree. And when you look at the insane money the players get ... Machado 10 years/$ 300 mill., Arenado 8 year/$ 260 mill. extension and now Harper for 13 years/$ 330 mill.

This is completely out of hand.

I have no problem handing out this money in OOTP, but I hate to see this in real life.

Westheim · 03-01-2019, 02:59 AM

I have problems handing out this sort of money even in OOTP...

...which is why the Raccoons just signed routinely awesome semi-ace SP Tom Shumway to a 5-yr, $16.5m contract ...! It makes me sleep at night.

italyprof · 03-01-2019, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by zappa1

I choose real baseball. But it's fading fast with all the stupid new rules they come up with. That's what ultimately will finally drive me away. They keep saying how they're losing fan interest, so they need to make new rules. Well, so far the fan interest is still going down. Did they ever think, gee, maybe we're making it worse instead of better? No. They don't ever think it's there own fault.

I agree. Baseball has to remember that tradition and history is a major appeal of baseball. Even during the steroid era, before we realized that it was the steroids that were setting the new records, it was the history-making that got everyone excited.

Keep changing it and you will lose people. And the short-term profits of commercials from having mostly night games, including for World Series games, and even regular season games on Saturdays and Sundays means they have lost whole generations to baseball because kids never saw a World Series game.

So, the balance might be going to OOTP, though for now, it is MLB in the Summer, OOTP in the Winter. (and well, while watching MLB games in the Spring and Summer too !).

Mariner and Giants Fan · 03-01-2019, 11:44 PM

I only play OOTP because of my love for MLB. So MLB is my pick to keep and just play another one of the dozens of MLB games out there. Though I would miss OOTP for sure.

fredbeene · 03-02-2019, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Yarideki

I'd have to say I'd pick to keep OOTP just because the barrage of mid-game advertising in trying to watch or even listen to an actual MLB game feels like way too much for me. Plus, OOTP works better with my daily life because when work gets hectic I know I can pick up right where I left off the night before managing my Tigers to hopefully not the worst record in my current day MLB setup. Even if I had to only play fictional and forego the current MLB in OOTP, I'd still find a lot of enjoyment in crafting my universe. Plus, I'd have you all to share it with if I did.

No brainer....OOTPBP..... I NEVER watch real sports anymore...love affair long gone....
I DESPERATELY want better PBP and text to speech......want to craft and replay leagues and listen as podcasts....
more fun than MLB

fredbeene · 03-02-2019, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mlbman

I would choose OOTP because I get to see baseball played by my heroes and I get to relive those wonderful pennant races of summers past.

YES - i want to relive a decade and check OOTPB instead of the newspaper checking box scores etc : )

fredbeene · 03-02-2019, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

I do know this, last week when Manny Machado signed with the Padres, I was more interested in the fact that Mickey Mantle had just made the decision to leave the Kansas City Foxes in favor of a free agent deal with the Dallas Axemen. That Mike Schmidt said goodbye to Cleveland to head to Pittsburgh.

lolol love it....
i'll add....during the super bowl...i had MORE FUN and enjoyment guiding my bronze league team with bronze scrubs to the WS win than the game!

ha i'd rather follow the Kansas City Foxes!!!! go Foxes!!

tejdog1 · 03-02-2019, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dpd376

So you mean ruining the most exciting play in sports (play at the plate) wasn't a good idea? I'd be for rule changes to restore pace of play and the balance that made baseball great.

So for the original question OOTP by a mile.

So you'd rather see catchers with legs broken?
Also, no. Triples. By far triples.

tejdog1 · 03-02-2019, 11:16 PM

OOTP because in OOTP I can ignore the Wilpons and actually do what I want as GM and make the Mets great.

neugey · 03-03-2019, 07:15 AM

Tough. I'll say OOTP, and hope for a great Wimbledon.

NoOne · 03-03-2019, 02:41 PM

yeah i'd say the greed doesn't lie with the labor force, either.

are they paid too much to play baseball? yeah, it's a game and it's not that important.

are they paid what they deserve relative to the mass amounts of profits they generate? absolutely not.

scale is no understood when you get into the billions... or even the millions for some people. it's too big of a number to grasp for most people. plus, there's no real information on the actual cash flows of the MLB because they are all privately held entities that do not have to publish their financial records.

who should get most of th emoney... the people everyone comes to watch or some rich dbag with an expensive toy? they do nothing... you don't come to watch some 80-year old billionaire that's so cheap they pay $59 for an old fashioned at a day spa.

the players aren't greedy. they are demanding what they deserve. if other people wouldn't tear down othe rlabor forces, maybe ~1/2 of the population here wouldn't be living check-to-check with horrible healthcare and lower-quality products across the board...

ffs, you don't even get the safety features in cars at the same time as more wealthy people. i don't get the self-hating labor people... i think it's just bitterness that someone else is successful and they aren't. hardly a baseball player's fault -- inequalities of life.

the fantacism of ~1/5th of the population causes most of the things people get bitter about... your own interest makes them wealthy. it doesn't happen without that to start. sports fans are a sever minority. that ~20% causes public money to be extorted from local municipalities. mlb is a plague, at the moment... it's not the player's greed that is at fault. it's the fans and the owners.

DaBears · 03-03-2019, 07:14 PM

Wow, that is a really hard question. Until two or three years ago, I would have absolutely said, "MLB all day every day, OOTP is just a computer game." But, OOTP coming out with 3-D, and then improving it so much so quickly, combined with MLB becoming a relatively boring string of guys walking to plate to fidget with bats, gloves, cleats, etc., strike out, and walk back to the dugout, catchers visiting the mound more often in a game than I visit anyone I know in a year (at least they put a cap on this), and listening to the never-ending carping of the players against management and management against the players, it's a tough call now.

My heart says I cannot give up the real life game - but I admit that I care more about my OOTP team now and also find myself in the third inning of a real life game with no idea who is even winning, while I can tell you my fifth outfielder's wOBA against lefties with runners in scoring position (he's really good, by the way). So, I "say" real life, while admitting I'm not completely sure if that's true anymore.

02-25-2019, 11:28 AM	#23
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 3,950 Blog Entries: 66	I choose OOTP because real baseball is 240 miles for the Tigers, and my beloved Beach Bums are gone, swept away for the "Pit Spitters". Sweet Crispy Venus on Buttered Toast Points, who the hell picks out these team names? __________________ “What’s the most you ever lost on a coin toss?” “Everyone is an atheist until Templars begin marching in the rain.” Absinthe makes the heart grow fonder. It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.—Thomas Sowell "Alinsky works for me now."

02-25-2019, 03:36 PM	#26
koohead Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 3,137	Just for this year correct? I'm going with MLB for me...I can live with putting my fictional OOTP universe on hold until Oct knowing it'll be right there in the same state I left it. __________________ GM - New Jersey Bears of the NPBL;

03-01-2019, 02:59 AM	#30
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 11,903	I have problems handing out this sort of money even in OOTP... ...which is why the Raccoons just signed routinely awesome semi-ace SP Tom Shumway to a 5-yr, $16.5m contract ...! It makes me sleep at night. __________________ Portland Raccoons, 83 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here.

03-01-2019, 11:44 PM	#32
Mariner and Giants Fan All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Issaquah, WA. Posts: 1,125	I only play OOTP because of my love for MLB. So MLB is my pick to keep and just play another one of the dozens of MLB games out there. Though I would miss OOTP for sure. __________________ Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"

03-02-2019, 11:16 PM	#37
tejdog1 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Danbury, CT Posts: 1,618	OOTP because in OOTP I can ignore the Wilpons and actually do what I want as GM and make the Mets great. __________________ It's amazing How you make your face just like a wall How you take your heart and turn it off How I turn my head and lose it all And it's unnerving How just one move puts me by myself There you go just trusting someone else Now I know I put us both through hell ~Matchbox 20, "Leave" Everyone knows it's spelled "TRAID", not trade

02-24-2019, 10:59 PM	#21
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 14,143	I don't think this is a fun what-if at all. But if you're forcing my hand, I think I would quit OOTP if they offered me the commissioner's job. That is what you were asking, right?

02-25-2019, 02:25 PM	#25
NoOne Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,167	ootp. my local team is likely a dumpster fire for at least the near future, and i don't have any confidence in ownership. pecking order of gaming entertainment to lump things together: RL games (involved, not spectating) > video games > spectating spectating amounts to unformfortable seating, $10 beers that get warm as ..., and half the time i go i get stuck behind someone with giantism that blocks 1/3rd of my view. plus, it's downtown detroit and smells like one giant open sewer. if it's colder, you can go steam yourself by standing near a manhole cover... <puked in my mouth a bit>

02-25-2019, 04:06 PM	#27
Reed All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,947	I enjoy OOTP about 300 days a year. I enjoy MLB about 15 days a year. Free Agency, greedy players, greedy owners, DH/non DH, inter league play has ruined MLB for me. I sadly would have to pick OOTP.

02-25-2019, 05:32 PM	#28
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,957	Real Mets games, then OOTP, then the rest of MLB

03-03-2019, 07:15 AM	#38
neugey All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 805 Blog Entries: 39	Tough. I'll say OOTP, and hope for a great Wimbledon.

03-03-2019, 02:41 PM	#39
NoOne Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,167	yeah i'd say the greed doesn't lie with the labor force, either. are they paid too much to play baseball? yeah, it's a game and it's not that important. are they paid what they deserve relative to the mass amounts of profits they generate? absolutely not. scale is no understood when you get into the billions... or even the millions for some people. it's too big of a number to grasp for most people. plus, there's no real information on the actual cash flows of the MLB because they are all privately held entities that do not have to publish their financial records. who should get most of th emoney... the people everyone comes to watch or some rich dbag with an expensive toy? they do nothing... you don't come to watch some 80-year old billionaire that's so cheap they pay $59 for an old fashioned at a day spa. the players aren't greedy. they are demanding what they deserve. if other people wouldn't tear down othe rlabor forces, maybe ~1/2 of the population here wouldn't be living check-to-check with horrible healthcare and lower-quality products across the board... ffs, you don't even get the safety features in cars at the same time as more wealthy people. i don't get the self-hating labor people... i think it's just bitterness that someone else is successful and they aren't. hardly a baseball player's fault -- inequalities of life. the fantacism of ~1/5th of the population causes most of the things people get bitter about... your own interest makes them wealthy. it doesn't happen without that to start. sports fans are a sever minority. that ~20% causes public money to be extorted from local municipalities. mlb is a plague, at the moment... it's not the player's greed that is at fault. it's the fans and the owners. Last edited by NoOne; 03-03-2019 at 02:44 PM.

03-03-2019, 07:14 PM	#40
DaBears Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 469	Wow, that is a really hard question. Until two or three years ago, I would have absolutely said, "MLB all day every day, OOTP is just a computer game." But, OOTP coming out with 3-D, and then improving it so much so quickly, combined with MLB becoming a relatively boring string of guys walking to plate to fidget with bats, gloves, cleats, etc., strike out, and walk back to the dugout, catchers visiting the mound more often in a game than I visit anyone I know in a year (at least they put a cap on this), and listening to the never-ending carping of the players against management and management against the players, it's a tough call now. My heart says I cannot give up the real life game - but I admit that I care more about my OOTP team now and also find myself in the third inning of a real life game with no idea who is even winning, while I can tell you my fifth outfielder's wOBA against lefties with runners in scoring position (he's really good, by the way). So, I "say" real life, while admitting I'm not completely sure if that's true anymore.