Coaching Advantage?

dgally · 11-01-2016, 10:19 AM

I started a game with the Blues. Set up my tactics and roles using the best ones I could.

Now I am 7-13-3 and I feel like it's not particularly warranted.

I am in the bottom 10 of all categories.

I have never once gotten coaching advantage. I rarely get tactical advantage even though I have several major or minor countering roles.

My powerplay is literally 8%. Nearly unheard of. I don't get what I am doing wrong...but it feels like absolute luck if I win a game.

Halps.

dgally · 11-01-2016, 11:04 AM

Update:

The murder continues.
3 consecutive shutouts.
3 losses after being up (Stars came back from 4-0)
and a lose from the Canadiens where I was outshot 41-16 and they had all advantages plus full momentum every period after 15 min mark. It was NHL vs peewees.

Annnnd destroyed by the Islanders (who are just above me in last) 6-1! (This was actually a guess when it was 3-1...ended being worse at 7-2) Never saw tactical advantage even though I had 5 Major and 4 Minor counterings....

Oh and I didn't score on a single PP during this time.

I mean I could become better as a coach maybe? But at this point, I am guessing I will get fired first...

MXD · 11-01-2016, 11:38 AM

...PtG ?I started my PtG game in the juniors (for the sake of realism and because junior games are kinda cool anyways). I rarely get Coaching Advantage, but I guess the gap between me (and my skills) and the other coach is much more reasonable) than it would be if I was to start in the NHL.Because that's the thing in PtG (and possibly in sandbox too) : your attributes are really bad. I don't know if there's a thing to be done with this.

dgally · 11-01-2016, 12:00 PM

Yeah, it's in PtG - is there a way to increase your attributes in any way?

If the gap is that great, a fix needs to be made otherwise even the best team is doomed with your coaching leadership...

MXD · 11-01-2016, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dgally

Yeah, it's in PtG - is there a way to increase your attributes in any way?

If the gap is that great, a fix needs to be made otherwise even the best team is doomed with your coaching leadership...

...Or maybe PtG is more appropriate for... humm... humble beginnings? Like Junior CHL, EIHL or Ligue Magnus?

dgally · 11-01-2016, 01:03 PM

But I don't wanna be humble...this time.

no way · 11-01-2016, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dgally

But I don't wanna be humble...this time.

Then if you wanna change your atributes you would have to play sandbox game (which you can play exactly same way as Path to glory) and enable Comisioner mode then you can change your manager attributes.

Torgonius · 11-01-2016, 01:51 PM

Ideally, PtG mode would consider your chosen starting level and let you allocate a scalable number of points when you begin.

AlpineSK · 11-01-2016, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MXD

...PtG ?I started my PtG game in the juniors (for the sake of realism and because junior games are kinda cool anyways). I rarely get Coaching Advantage, but I guess the gap between me (and my skills) and the other coach is much more reasonable) than it would be if I was to start in the NHL.Because that's the thing in PtG (and possibly in sandbox too) : your attributes are really bad. I don't know if there's a thing to be done with this.

I wondered about this a lot playing the BETA. If I'm a rookie GM/coach in the NHL will I just be run over? Will I not be able to make trades in my favor etc? Scaling would be nice a'la FM.

JeffR · 11-01-2016, 03:40 PM

I think we may need to look at the starting coaching skill levels when you begin a career in the NHL (or any higher-level league, for that matter.) Unless you dump points into tactics, you're going to be at a constant disadvantage during games for the first few seasons until you can build up that rating.

Romagoth · 11-01-2016, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffR

I think we may need to look at the starting coaching skill levels when you begin a career in the NHL (or any higher-level league, for that matter.) Unless you dump points into tactics, you're going to be at a constant disadvantage during games for the first few seasons until you can build up that rating.

...if you last that long.

last · 11-02-2016, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by no way

Then if you wanna change your atributes you would have to play sandbox game (which you can play exactly same way as Path to glory) and enable Comisioner mode then you can change your manager attributes.

As far as I can tell even in a sandbox game with commissioner mode enabled you can only change these attributes

and therefore these attributes (except player management and negotiating skill)

are unable to be increased. I've played through a season in sandbox mode and the option to dump more points into things that occurs at the end of a season in path to glory doesn't seem to occur leaving me stuck with a skill of 5 for tactical ability. Had I known I would've dumped all my points into it to start with!

Rooney · 11-02-2016, 07:10 AM

Yeah it's an issue at the moment, my team has been losing a lot of games because of it, very annoying. I hope you guys fix it soon

tylerjlc · 11-02-2016, 01:22 PM

This seems to be a pretty big issue. Playing as the Leafs I'm routinely giving up 5+ goals, (10-0, 9-1 are a few of the lopsided games). I've won 2 of 19 games.

pucku33 · 11-02-2016, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tylerjlc

This seems to be a pretty big issue. Playing as the Leafs I'm routinely giving up 5+ goals, (10-0, 9-1 are a few of the lopsided games). I've won 2 of 19 games.

A brand new coach that has never coached at any level before will always be at a disadvantage. Realism isn't an issue at all.

JeffR · 11-03-2016, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by tylerjlc

This seems to be a pretty big issue. Playing as the Leafs I'm routinely giving up 5+ goals, (10-0, 9-1 are a few of the lopsided games). I've won 2 of 19 games.

The tactical advantage effects are significant, but not that significant. You may want to try a different tactic, particularly if you notice you're having trouble finding many players rated with 4-5 dots at their tactical role.

Torgonius · 11-03-2016, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by JeffR

The tactical advantage effects are significant, but not that significant. You may want to try a different tactic, particularly if you notice you're having trouble finding many players rated with 4-5 dots at their tactical role.

Could we get added to the scouting report an entry on what tactical role(s) best suit that player? It could fit under Ability or Current Role.

Rooney · 11-03-2016, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by pucku33

A brand new coach that has never coached at any level before will always be at a disadvantage. Realism isn't an issue at all.

If we go for realism in this case we wouldn't be able to play because a brand new coach wouldn't be in the NHL, so the disadvantage is an issue.

dgally · 11-03-2016, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Torognius

Could we get added to the scouting report an entry on what tactical role(s) best suit that player? It could fit under Ability or Current Role.

This would be huge - while it's clear with your 1st line, sometimes 2nd, the 3rd and 4th line can be a crapshoot at time as they are littered with 3 dots.

Also, not sure if anyone can clear this up...the countering roles? Do you want those red/yellow dashes? Or is it you being countered. I had 6 reds and 4 yellows against the Avs recently and got throttled 16 shots to 2 in the 1st period. And I don't think I sacrificed a single dot...

And I agree on the sandbox. You can't edit some of the skills and even pouring them all into tactics isn't enough to be competitive with 98% of the time in coaching advantage.

I've also noticed that momentum can shift to max within 1:30 mins into a period. It's way to fast. This seems to be really tough to come back from and can result in getting steamrolled in a single period. After you get past 5 mins in, the momentum appears to be a lot more fluid.

dgally · 11-03-2016, 02:22 PM

Also noticing a near unrealistic amount of penalties. Like 9-12 a game - for both sides. Even when tactics point to avoiding penalties.

And it's kind of unclear on who is on the penalty as sometimes when someone scores a PP the penalty doesn't go away.

11-01-2016, 10:19 AM	#1
dgally Bat Boy Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 11	Coaching Advantage? I started a game with the Blues. Set up my tactics and roles using the best ones I could. Now I am 7-13-3 and I feel like it's not particularly warranted. I am in the bottom 10 of all categories. I have never once gotten coaching advantage. I rarely get tactical advantage even though I have several major or minor countering roles. My powerplay is literally 8%. Nearly unheard of. I don't get what I am doing wrong...but it feels like absolute luck if I win a game. Halps.

11-01-2016, 11:04 AM	#2
dgally Bat Boy Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 11	Update: The murder continues. 3 consecutive shutouts. 3 losses after being up (Stars came back from 4-0) and a lose from the Canadiens where I was outshot 41-16 and they had all advantages plus full momentum every period after 15 min mark. It was NHL vs peewees. Annnnd destroyed by the Islanders (who are just above me in last) 6-1! (This was actually a guess when it was 3-1...ended being worse at 7-2) Never saw tactical advantage even though I had 5 Major and 4 Minor counterings.... Oh and I didn't score on a single PP during this time. I mean I could become better as a coach maybe? But at this point, I am guessing I will get fired first... Last edited by dgally; 11-01-2016 at 11:14 AM.

11-01-2016, 12:00 PM	#4
dgally Bat Boy Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 11	Yeah, it's in PtG - is there a way to increase your attributes in any way? If the gap is that great, a fix needs to be made otherwise even the best team is doomed with your coaching leadership... Last edited by dgally; 11-01-2016 at 12:01 PM.

11-01-2016, 11:38 AM	#3
MXD Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 113	...PtG ?I started my PtG game in the juniors (for the sake of realism and because junior games are kinda cool anyways). I rarely get Coaching Advantage, but I guess the gap between me (and my skills) and the other coach is much more reasonable) than it would be if I was to start in the NHL.Because that's the thing in PtG (and possibly in sandbox too) : your attributes are really bad. I don't know if there's a thing to be done with this.

11-01-2016, 01:03 PM	#6
dgally Bat Boy Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 11	But I don't wanna be humble...this time.

11-01-2016, 01:51 PM	#8
Torgonius All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 826	Ideally, PtG mode would consider your chosen starting level and let you allocate a scalable number of points when you begin.

11-01-2016, 03:40 PM	#10
JeffR FHM Producer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Kelowna, BC Posts: 16,623	I think we may need to look at the starting coaching skill levels when you begin a career in the NHL (or any higher-level league, for that matter.) Unless you dump points into tactics, you're going to be at a constant disadvantage during games for the first few seasons until you can build up that rating.

11-02-2016, 07:10 AM	#13
Rooney Bat Boy Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 11	Yeah it's an issue at the moment, my team has been losing a lot of games because of it, very annoying. I hope you guys fix it soon

11-02-2016, 01:22 PM	#14
tylerjlc Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 11	This seems to be a pretty big issue. Playing as the Leafs I'm routinely giving up 5+ goals, (10-0, 9-1 are a few of the lopsided games). I've won 2 of 19 games.

11-03-2016, 02:22 PM	#20
dgally Bat Boy Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 11	Also noticing a near unrealistic amount of penalties. Like 9-12 a game - for both sides. Even when tactics point to avoiding penalties. And it's kind of unclear on who is on the penalty as sometimes when someone scores a PP the penalty doesn't go away.