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04-23-2019, 11:42 PM | #1 |
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Player Ratings Changing for No Reason & Historical Free-Agents W/Random Ratings Changes Upon Creatio
I have identified two Out of the Park Baseball XX bugs. I created a league that included all the teams from the Pacific Coast league in 1946. Since then I have been changing one of the teams over to a 1946 semipro team called the Brooklyn Bushwicks. I have been importing some players as historical free agents. Others I have had to create from scratch. I’ve had to do an enormous amount of roster editing. I have yet to play a single game in the league besides an exhibition contest. What I’m finding is the player's ratings fluctuate back and forth between two sets of ratings. When I load the game I never know which one of the two sets of ratings will be reflected in the game. When I exit the game, go back to the OOTP start screen, and load the game again the ratings always switch over to the other set. I read a post in the forums indicating that a user of OOTP Baseball 17 and 19 had this same problem. (See: https://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boa...67#post4477867.) The other bug I am finding is that when I import the exact same historical free agent with all the variables the same on multiple occasions within this same league I get very different player ratings. Sometimes pitchers come up with different pitches in their arsenals. I assume there’s no element of randomness in importing historical free agents and so when I import the same player under the same options in the same league he should be the same every time. I have not started league play. It is still March 10, 1946. I believe I set the scouting options as I should have done when I created the league. I would appreciate any and all helpful information anyone can provide me on these bugs.
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04-24-2019, 01:15 AM | #2 |
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minor league pitchers are imported with random pitches so every import is different in this specific area. major leaguers have specific pitches, not random.
you would need to be way more specific in the other areas for me to be able to help.
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05-06-2019, 09:44 AM | #3 | |
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the problems have gotten much worse after uninstalling and reinstalling
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I tried uninstalling and reinstalling OOTP Baseball 20 and now the problems have gotten much worse.I am currently seeing fluctuations in overall rating of as much as 50 points when I start the same league/game using all of the same variables and parameters. I have never progressed passed day 1 in these leagues/games. They have all been 1946 AAA leagues accept for two NNLs. Some free agents that should be part of the free agent pool are only appearing in the pool some of the time. Tony Cuccinello is always listed as the top free agent available. I think he should have an overall rating of 71 based upon the very first game I started. He is now coming in with an overall rating in the low 20s.I also noticed that after I start a game the logo for the AAA team I take over as GM and manager starts to display incorrectly after I take over. It can look widely different each time out. My experience with OOTP Baseball has been extremely disappointing.I took off from work today to get various things done and I hope to get this straightened out. What more info can I give you? Last edited by MorrisButtermaker; 05-06-2019 at 09:52 AM. |
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05-06-2019, 12:18 PM | #4 | |
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05-06-2019, 12:43 PM | #5 | |
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05-06-2019, 02:18 PM | #6 | |
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05-06-2019, 03:20 PM | #7 | |
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more on how OOTP Baseball works and the Brooklyn Bushwicks
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I now realize that with players who get imported as free agents into AAA leagues it is intended that such players will not always come in with the same overall ratings even if they are created under the same set of variables and parameters. I am surprised to see such a wide variance in overall ratings. I have never meant any of my comments as a criticism of the way in which OOTP Baseball rates players. I understand that as of now the simulation can't account for a player's performance in a semipro league because it can't pull from the data it would need to do so. I am just trying to find out if what I have been experiencing is explained by some sort of a technological bug that can be addressed. Perhaps OOTP Baseball is not designed to permit me to do what I am trying to do. I have been attempting to start a 1946 AAA Pacific Coast League, take over as GM and manager of the Sacramento Salons, and turn them into the 1946 Brooklyn Bushwicks by importing historical free agents, editing players whenever necessary and creating a few players from scratch. I have started several such leagues. Tony Cuccinello is always a part of the free agent pool created by the game from the very start. I do not have to import him. He is always listed as the top free agent available. The first league I started he came in with an overall of 72. This is understandable because he hit .308 (402 at bats) in the majors in 1945. I realize the game can't account for the fact that he jumped to the equivalent of a AAA them (the Bushwicks) in 1946 and hit 291. When Tony has come in with and overall rating in the 20s in the more recent 1946 AAA Pacific Coast Leagues it is one of the things that has caused me to think I am dealing with some sort of bug. I have included in this post an image that shows stats from the 1946 Bushwick team. For the equivalent of a AAA team I think they are pretty impressive. There were put up by a team who played 95% of its games in what was about the most extreme pitcher's park imaginable. That year the team played in 92 games and won 71. They went 27 and 14 vs. Negro League teams. After the season ended the Bushwicks played in and won what had to be one of the earliest examples of an international baseball tournament. They beat semipro teams from Cuba, Mexico and Venezuela. These teams could have been very strong. |
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05-06-2019, 04:02 PM | #8 |
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Keep in mind that the 2 players you have named in these posts are in their 40's and had not played in the minors for 5 or so years until WWII took away many players.
Age has a big effect on ratings. these fellas are older than dirt. sticking them in the PCL will do them no rating favors. they will be matched up against 20 year olds. it won't be pretty.
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05-06-2019, 06:27 PM | #9 | |
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http://fultonhistory.com/highlighter...stHlPage=false Here is a link: http://fultonhistory.com/highlighter...stHlPage=false Last edited by MorrisButtermaker; 05-06-2019 at 06:41 PM. |
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05-06-2019, 08:18 PM | #10 |
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many negro league teams had 2 or 3 squads traveling about using the same name at the same time. if you ponder on that for a bit you might realize the basic premise probably means nothing.
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05-06-2019, 08:44 PM | #11 | |
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the Bushwicks played against all the stars of the Negro Leagues year in and year out
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If I can just get to the bottom of whether I have one or more bugs in my game I can continue with my efforts to create a version of the Bushwicks in OOTP Baseball, experiment with them and see what I can learn. |
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05-06-2019, 09:16 PM | #12 | |
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a claification
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I am not pretending to have the answers. I am just pondering questions. I do think that if you are interested enough to click on that link I posted earlier in the thread that provides a list of the players on the Bushwicks in 1946 you can see just how much talent the team had to put up against the Negro Leagues teams. Last edited by MorrisButtermaker; 05-06-2019 at 09:41 PM. |
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05-06-2019, 11:41 PM | #13 |
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Sorry, the link is to blurred for my old eyes to read the words in the box.
I plan to see what I can find on-line about them.
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05-07-2019, 12:26 AM | #14 | |
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I can relate
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You can zoom in on that Web site but I do understand that does not help very much if the image is too blurry for you. |
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05-07-2019, 02:10 AM | #15 |
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you can post image files by clicking on advanced when you make a reply
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05-08-2019, 12:04 AM | #16 | |
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an attached image and more on Bushwicks and Negro Leagues
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I did some more research and learned that the Bushwicks did not always far as well against the Negro League teams as they did in 1945 and 1946. Sometimes they lost more than they won. Players being away for the war could have weakened the Negro Leagues in 1945. 1946 was the first year the Negro Leagues were without some stars who had begun playing in the minors. The Bushwicks were not hurt that much by WWII because their players were older, some were married, and some had children. A lot of them were exempt from the draft. |
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05-11-2019, 08:55 PM | #17 |
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Closing Thoughts...
For the sake of anyone who stumbles upon this thread in the future, I just want to offer some closing thoughts. I have learned that the Bushwicks' lost more games than they won against Negro League teams from the 1920s through 1944. I'm still trying to determine why things were so different in 1945 and 1946.
There either is available for sale, or has been for sale in the recent past, seven different style Brooklyn Bushwick caps from seven different seasons. One can also buy authentic reproductions of a 1933 jersey and grounds crew jacket. The Brooklyn Bushwicks team name has also been, and in some cases still is, sold on a number of modern apparel items. I believe the availability of these projects proves that the public is interested in the team and that if OOTP Baseball were to include the Bushwicks in a future version of the simulation it would be well received. Other posts made by others that mention the team can be found in these forums. Perhaps what OOTP Baseball might want to do is create a "league" of independent teams that included the Bushwicks. Also included in this "league" could be independent African-American teams that did not play in the Negro American League or Negro National League and so are not currently found in the simulation. The Luke Easter's Cincinnati Crescents are a team that would be fun to utilize. Last edited by MorrisButtermaker; 05-11-2019 at 09:00 PM. |
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