Should "Take a Pitch" be nerfed?

Honorable_Pawn · 01-29-2015, 08:24 PM

I play out almost all of my games. I have noticed that I draw a lot more walks than the AI does. Also, when I sim games I notice that my team does not draw as many walks as when I play it out and use take a pitch.

I think the likelihood of drawing a walk is too high when the take pitch option is used.

I can present examples but this is so obvious that I think that it is not necessary to present data.

For those of you that play out most of your games do you think that "Take a Pitch" should be nerfed?

Honorable_Pawn · 01-29-2015, 08:33 PM

Heads I win, Tails you lose.

Honorable_Pawn · 01-29-2015, 08:34 PM

No, seriously...has anyone else noticed this or is it just me?

BusterKing · 01-29-2015, 08:52 PM

This is one of the many reasons why I only make player/pitcher substitutions for my games. I don't want any kind of advantages over the AI who can be easily exploited by many options.

"It's your game, play it your way" well for me it's "Play it fair, don't take advantage of the AI"

BIG17EASY · 01-29-2015, 08:53 PM

You need a third poll option:

No, don't take it out, and if it is proven to be an exploit, ask Markus to fix it.

Honorable_Pawn · 01-29-2015, 09:14 PM

The poll was kinda tongue-in-cheek. I'm really just trying to compare my perception against the community's perception. I simply don't have enough data to stake a claim, however, it has certainly has caught my attention recently.

Basically, I wondering if others are noticing this. If so, then maybe I would be in a good position to start collecting data since I play out almost all of my games.

jazzrack · 01-29-2015, 09:24 PM

how can you turn it into a toy sponge?

Isura · 01-29-2015, 09:45 PM

You could give yourself house rules like only use it 2-3 times a game.

BIG17EASY · 01-29-2015, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honorable_Pawn

The poll was kinda tongue-in-cheek. I'm really just trying to compare my perception against the community's perception. I simply don't have enough data to stake a claim, however, it has certainly has caught my attention recently.

Basically, I wondering if others are noticing this. If so, then maybe I would be in a good position to start collecting data since I play out almost all of my games.

Then you should've just asked that.

TomVeal · 01-29-2015, 11:05 PM

It seems that when I instruct a batter to take a pitch, the pitcher throws a strike at least 90 percent of time.

If the AI overlooks obvious "take" situations, e. g., pitcher at bat and 3-0, that should be corrected. If your evidence is sufficiently rigorous, let Markus know about it.

sandman2575 · 01-30-2015, 12:06 AM

Not sure I've noticed anything peculiar about the 'take a pitch' mechanics, but one thing that does seem to need nerfing is the Sac Bunt. Maybe it's just anecdotal, but seems to me Sac Bunts succeed far too often -- like 80% of the time.

Again, maybe just impressionistic but sac bunts seem like nearly a sure thing in OOTP...

clwalcott · 01-30-2015, 08:14 AM

absolutely sure the OP is correct about this

rpriske · 01-30-2015, 09:14 AM

Just don't abuse it.

The only time I ever use Take a Pitch is when I have a potential base stealer on (which is the only time a go pitch-by-pitch) and the count gets to 3-0. Because if I press swing away the batter will, and that is generally a stupid thing to do.

Markus Heinsohn · 01-30-2015, 04:29 PM

Well, this should not be the case at all really... probably a sample size issue.

Honorable_Pawn · 01-30-2015, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

Then you should've just asked that.

I felt like being light-hearted, instead.

Honorable_Pawn · 01-30-2015, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Well, this should not be the case at all really... probably a sample size issue.

Probably.

Would it help if I tracked my data or is this something that you know for sure?

Airdrop01 · 01-30-2015, 07:01 PM

I don't want them to mess with it because who knows what could happen to some seemingly unrelated factor in simming or otherwise. But, I think it is clearly an exploit. If you play out the games, you could probably end up with a team OBP that would make Ted Williams feel inadequate.

Honorable_Pawn · 01-30-2015, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isura

You could give yourself house rules like only use it 2-3 times a game.

This is kind of what I recently started doing. Only using it for my 1, 2 & 9 batters.

ootp3to6 · 01-31-2015, 06:17 AM

Toronto was losing to New York in the top of the ninth inning 8 to 4.

I decided to take as many pitches as possible to see what would happen.

Result - A.Bailey walked 5 Toronto batters allowing the Blue Jays to tie the game at 8-8.

The Blue Jays lost to New York 10 -9 in the bottom of the ninth inning.

Your thoughts?

BIG17EASY · 01-31-2015, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ootp3to6

Toronto was losing to New York in the top of the ninth inning 8 to 4.

I decided to take as many pitches as possible to see what would happen.

Result - A.Bailey walked 5 Toronto batters allowing the Blue Jays to tie the game at 8-8.

The Blue Jays lost to New York 10 -9 in the bottom of the ninth inning.

Your thoughts?

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but one game is not nearly enough evidence of a problem.

View Poll Results: Should take a pitch be nerfed?
Yes, it is overpowered when playing out games.	22	46.81%
No, I prefer to abuse the AI.	25	53.19%
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01-29-2015, 08:24 PM	#1
Honorable_Pawn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 6,407	Should "Take a Pitch" be nerfed? I play out almost all of my games. I have noticed that I draw a lot more walks than the AI does. Also, when I sim games I notice that my team does not draw as many walks as when I play it out and use take a pitch. I think the likelihood of drawing a walk is too high when the take pitch option is used. I can present examples but this is so obvious that I think that it is not necessary to present data. For those of you that play out most of your games do you think that "Take a Pitch" should be nerfed? __________________ PBA Quickstart for OOTP Background Images Collection All PBA games broadcast live on Steam.

01-29-2015, 08:33 PM	#2
Honorable_Pawn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 6,407	Heads I win, Tails you lose. __________________ PBA Quickstart for OOTP Background Images Collection All PBA games broadcast live on Steam.

01-29-2015, 08:34 PM	#3
Honorable_Pawn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 6,407	No, seriously...has anyone else noticed this or is it just me? __________________ PBA Quickstart for OOTP Background Images Collection All PBA games broadcast live on Steam.

01-29-2015, 09:14 PM	#6
Honorable_Pawn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 6,407	The poll was kinda tongue-in-cheek. I'm really just trying to compare my perception against the community's perception. I simply don't have enough data to stake a claim, however, it has certainly has caught my attention recently. Basically, I wondering if others are noticing this. If so, then maybe I would be in a good position to start collecting data since I play out almost all of my games. __________________ PBA Quickstart for OOTP Background Images Collection All PBA games broadcast live on Steam.

01-29-2015, 08:52 PM	#4
BusterKing Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,369	This is one of the many reasons why I only make player/pitcher substitutions for my games. I don't want any kind of advantages over the AI who can be easily exploited by many options. "It's your game, play it your way" well for me it's "Play it fair, don't take advantage of the AI"

01-29-2015, 08:53 PM	#5
BIG17EASY Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,291	You need a third poll option: No, don't take it out, and if it is proven to be an exploit, ask Markus to fix it.

01-29-2015, 09:24 PM	#7
jazzrack Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: still kicking Posts: 3,229 Blog Entries: 25	how can you turn it into a toy sponge? __________________ . "Never confuse composure for ease" Was once Head Cheese of Corporate League Baseball

01-29-2015, 09:45 PM	#8
Isura Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 361	You could give yourself house rules like only use it 2-3 times a game.

01-29-2015, 11:05 PM	#10
TomVeal All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Spanaway, Washington Posts: 1,181	It seems that when I instruct a batter to take a pitch, the pitcher throws a strike at least 90 percent of time. If the AI overlooks obvious "take" situations, e. g., pitcher at bat and 3-0, that should be corrected. If your evidence is sufficiently rigorous, let Markus know about it.

01-30-2015, 12:06 AM	#11
sandman2575 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Cambridge, MA Posts: 255	Not sure I've noticed anything peculiar about the 'take a pitch' mechanics, but one thing that does seem to need nerfing is the Sac Bunt. Maybe it's just anecdotal, but seems to me Sac Bunts succeed far too often -- like 80% of the time. Again, maybe just impressionistic but sac bunts seem like nearly a sure thing in OOTP...

01-30-2015, 08:14 AM	#12
clwalcott Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 263	absolutely sure the OP is correct about this

01-30-2015, 09:14 AM	#13
rpriske Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Spencerville, ON, Canada Posts: 23,973 Blog Entries: 1	Just don't abuse it. The only time I ever use Take a Pitch is when I have a potential base stealer on (which is the only time a go pitch-by-pitch) and the count gets to 3-0. Because if I press swing away the batter will, and that is generally a stupid thing to do. __________________ Rusty Priske Poet, Canadian, Baseball Fan ````````````````````````````````````````

01-30-2015, 04:29 PM	#14
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,738	Well, this should not be the case at all really... probably a sample size issue. __________________ Buy Out of the Park Baseball 25 now! Download OOTP Go 25 for iOS Download OOTP Go 25 for Android

01-30-2015, 07:01 PM	#17
Airdrop01 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lenexa, KS / Wilson, WY Posts: 1,354	I don't want them to mess with it because who knows what could happen to some seemingly unrelated factor in simming or otherwise. But, I think it is clearly an exploit. If you play out the games, you could probably end up with a team OBP that would make Ted Williams feel inadequate.

01-31-2015, 06:17 AM	#19
ootp3to6 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Haliburton,Ontario Canada Posts: 3,238	Take pitch to the extreme. Toronto was losing to New York in the top of the ninth inning 8 to 4. I decided to take as many pitches as possible to see what would happen. Result - A.Bailey walked 5 Toronto batters allowing the Blue Jays to tie the game at 8-8. The Blue Jays lost to New York 10 -9 in the bottom of the ninth inning. Your thoughts? Attached Images