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10-10-2014, 07:53 PM | #1 |
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Any innovative management strategies?
When I manage games, I usually don't end up using my closer as a closer. Instead, I bring him in when we're in trouble. Sixth inning, up by two, one out, runners on second and third? Time to use my closer.
I don't know that this is really "innovative" so much as common sense that most real managers don't really use. What's the point of leaving your best pitcher in the pen now? What else do you do strategically that you think should happen more in real baseball? |
10-10-2014, 08:21 PM | #2 |
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On the subject of closer usage: Baseball Prospectus | Bullpen (Mis)management Tool
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10-10-2014, 09:02 PM | #3 |
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Check out the book Scorecasting. It shows how many agreed upon strategies or known axioms are false.
Scorecasting: The Hidden Influences Behind How Sports Are Played and Games Are Won: Tobias J. Moskowitz, L. Jon Wertheim: 9780307591791: Amazon.com: Books
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10-10-2014, 10:35 PM | #4 |
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One "innovative" strategy that I do still use from time to time, that has been used/championed by Tony Larussa in the past, is to hit the "pitcher slot" 8th in the order.
I'm not currently using it at the time, but did have a fair amount of success with it. You definitely have to have the right lineup for it for it to help at all, though.
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10-10-2014, 11:01 PM | #5 | |
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10-10-2014, 11:06 PM | #6 |
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Yeah, but you can't trade draft choices in real baseball.
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10-10-2014, 11:55 PM | #7 | |
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One of the teams from the Beyond the Box score MLB expansion draft used the Starter-By Committee strategy. Full article here: Introducing: the expansion Charlotte Divide - Beyond the Box Score
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10-10-2014, 11:58 PM | #8 |
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I think innovative is an oxymoron in a baseball universe where a team can acquire 19 draft picks.
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10-11-2014, 09:52 AM | #9 |
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I remember reading an article from Jim Caple (I think) several years ago where he suggested that teams might consider the role of an OPENER, starting the game with the guy who might be your closer, since the first inning is the only inning where the opposition is GUARANTEED to bring their own ideal lineup.
I've tried this a few times just to play with it, and still seem to prefer bringing the guy in when we're really in trouble. However, if you have 2-3 really solid relievers, it's more palatable to use one guy up front if you can be assured you have more for later. I like the idea of creating a stat called a STOP, where the relief pitcher comes in with runners in scoring position, but no one scores. Now, this is a little underhanded, but I don't know why it couldn't work in real baseball- If you play around with the idea of the OPENER, you don't have to announce the pitcher that's going to pitch the bulk of your innings. You can wait until you see the other team's lineup to choose a pitcher and then either exploit the other team's weaknesses or force them to start making substitutions in the second and third innings. Sounds kind of like a Joe Maddon move to me. |
10-11-2014, 09:54 AM | #10 |
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Jays, I remember LaRussa batting the pitcher eighth sometimes. What's the rationale there and how does it help? What kind of lineup is it best with?
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10-11-2014, 11:08 AM | #11 |
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You bat the pitcher eighth in the hopes that your ninth slot hitter can get on base more often and be on base for your 1-4 (better hitters) to drive him in.
Some sites have stipulated this could be worth 1.5-2 wins a season in a vacuum...
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10-11-2014, 11:37 AM | #13 |
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FWIW, years ago in a play-by-mail, no DH, tabletop league, I applied a similar strategy with a slew of good relievers and so-so starters. My starting pitcher rotation consisted of 3 relievers. Each would pitch only until their first at bat, then they'd be pinch hit for. I followed with a traditional starter who would only be allowed to bat once at most, then followed with more relievers.
I won the World Series. The away managers didn't like it and a couple refused my instructions to pitch that way and wouldn't accept it. I have not tried it with OOTP. Last edited by canaveral; 10-11-2014 at 11:38 AM. |
10-11-2014, 12:27 PM | #14 |
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Canaveral, one problem with the strategy in OOTP is that the AI just can't handle it.
For example, if your only rested "starting" pitchers were right-handed, but your opener was a lefty, the AI would optimize their lineup versus left-handed, even though it's obvious that RHPs will take most of the game. Of course, the way I imagine this working in real life would be in a scenario where lefty and righty starters are available, the other team doesn't know how to optimize a lineup, and you take advantage of that. It also wouldn't work in online leagues since you have to actually manage the game as this whole thing might cause the bullpen AI to actually explode. |
10-11-2014, 09:58 PM | #15 |
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10-14-2014, 11:23 PM | #16 |
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One of the best teams in my online league is employing a variant of the starter by committee and I'm trying it with one of the worst. My results are inconclusive as of yet. We're not winning more games than I thought, but we're not losing more either. Usually we lose because the starter gets tagged in the 3rd inning, but I just changed my settings to hook them faster. Since I don't have anything to lose I'm going to stick with it for a season and see how it goes.
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10-15-2014, 05:10 AM | #17 |
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Well my closer is pretty bad. I'm hesitant to use him if we're only up 1, but I got no choice.
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10-15-2014, 11:10 AM | #18 |
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I don't agree on using your Best bullpen pitcher in the middle inning. Because if you use a mediocre pitcher to close games out there gonna blow a lot of saves. That's why you should investing good set of men and a decent middle reliever that way you're closer your top bullpen pitcher can close games out
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