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01-09-2015, 10:34 PM | #1 |
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Pitcher injury issue
I wasn't sure where to put this, so I decided to put it in this section.
I found that when a P gets hurt after the 3rd out is recorded in the inning it won't let you advance without replacing him. This causes an issue when your P is 4/5 spots away and might hit that inning, but might not. I'd rather wait until after my half inning at bat is over before replacing him. If I need to explain this a bit better let me know. |
01-09-2015, 11:22 PM | #2 |
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It's such a rare situation that I suppose the problem was simply overlooked. If you run into it again, I suggest substituting yesterday's starting pitcher for the injured man, then replacing him with either a pinch hitter or a real relief pitcher, depending on whether his slot in the batting order is reached.
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I imagine it could be a coding nightmare and that's why it hasn't been addressed. If someone from the team could respond, that would be a great help. |
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01-10-2015, 11:13 AM | #5 |
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Just out of curiosity, how would OOTP handle this situation? In the top half of the first inning, the visiting team reaches the ninth spot in the lineup and wants to put in a pinch hitter for the pitcher. Will OOTP allow it? For that matter, would replacing the starter before he has thrown a pitch violate some obscure MLB rule?
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The language doesn't specifically address pinch hitting for the pitcher in the top of the 1st, but I'm guessing 3.05 forbids that. I can't find anything else in the rules that might apply. My guess, though, is that OOTP allows this. |
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I think you may have misstated the second issue a bit. OOTP is correctly not allowing you to pinch hit for a relief pitcher who hasn't pitched to a batter yet. The error is that the game forces you to put someone in as a pitcher when an injury to a pitcher occurs at the end of a half inning. This creates the dilemma.
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01-10-2015, 05:05 PM | #11 |
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Would it be possible for the game to code the injury after the 3rd out, but not have it take affect until he gets back on the mound? That way the game tells you the P is hurt, but you don't have to do anything about it until he is back in action.
I've only encountered this a couple of times over the span of 3-400 games. |
01-10-2015, 11:17 PM | #12 |
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I'm pretty sure I've pulled starters before they faced their first batter - if I bat around in the first (playing with DH, so pinchhitting is not a factor) I feel that I have enough runs to spot start a long reliever if my bullpen is rested enough and I'd use an ace otherwise. I feel that even my 2 worst long relievers could be counted on to hold the 6-7 run lead, and if not my batters will still face a lot of probably weak pitching that day.
This way my ace won't throw a pitch and will be ready the next day, giving the rest of my rotation extra rest days as well as an improved starter the next day. However I'm not sure it would work in real life, as starters have a pretty long warmup routine, this would cost them some stamina as well. |
01-11-2015, 02:32 PM | #13 | |
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It is an inherent characteristic of the game engine, and apparently can't be fixed. A related matter: when the AI replaces an injured with another pitcher in the situation you describe, the new pitcher is credited with one pitch. That makes it "legal" for you (or the AI) to PH for that new pitcher or to replace that pitcher with someone else immediately. However, it can cause some unusual results in crediting things like ERs and Win-Loss. Hope that at least answers your question. |
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01-11-2015, 08:39 PM | #17 |
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If the program's behavior can't be changed without great difficulty - and I can't offhand think of a fix that wouldn't be tremendously complicated - wouldn't it be better to ignore Rule 3.05b for relievers rather than generate nonsense statistics? The rules of baseball are more mutable than those of arithmetic.
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Obvious fix: Require all injury substitutions to be made BEFORE the game brings the next batter to the plate (if 0-2 outs) or switches sides (if 3 outs).
By doing this, the replacement pitcher will technically have retired the side, even though he gets credit for 0 IP in that inning. |
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And it sometimes credits the wrong pitcher with a win, in the event of the lead changing, and holding up, in the ensuinmg half inning. |
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