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OOTP 15 - Online Leagues Want to create or join an OOTP 15 online league? This is the right forum for you. |
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05-27-2014, 01:40 AM | #42 |
Minors (Single A)
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 90
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I would like to just clarify that we asked for and were granted permission to use PEBA's constitution as a framework to build around.
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05-27-2014, 01:41 AM | #43 |
Minors (Single A)
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 57
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stevens84,
You realize you F-ed up a beautiful league that was created by men who love baseball. You ruined a perfectly good LRS, where Gms were so tight that we were like brothers to one another. How can we ever recruit from these forums with the hopes of not finding another POS like you. You tainted a Pool full of talented Gms who are looking for a great leagues to play in. But how can anyone come here looking for a GM now? I feel that you should be perma banned from these forums. You are a child that needs to grow up and if you are this kinda person here, I do not ever care to see the kinda person you are in real life. I hope anyone who has you in a league removes you as you do not deserve OOTP at all.
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05-27-2014, 02:10 AM | #44 |
Minors (Rookie Ball)
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 36
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I think that's where we are at. In PEBA, we just can no longer recruit from these forums. Sad, but true. I just can't trust the applications I receive, and have to spend weeks trying to vet applicants to make sure they are not one of his aliases. It's not worth all the additional time and work.
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05-27-2014, 04:13 AM | #45 |
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Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 530
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As an OOTP online league guy (GM In 5, including AFBL where this guy is a GM), and commish of a very small but personally recruited, league I do find this somewhat frustrating, but unfortunately also very believable that someone could be such a tool.
What this person has not realised is that in doing this, he has broken the trust of not just those in the leagues he 'defrauded' but also damaged the trust that all online league GMs have in their fellow GMs, especially those in the leagues he is currently/was formally part of. It'll be a long hard road back for this guy to earn that trust again (and he won't be able to with some people which is definitely fair), but, and don't shoot me for saying this, he does need to be given the opportunity to start to earn that trust again However he needs to be willing to be fully transparent in his dealings, and buddy, creating new forum aliases and being a commish is NOT the way to go about it. Start at the bottom and try to earn some stripes, your previous actions have really damaged things for some people obviously, time to sit up and really think about what you're going to do in the future to try and repair some of this damage.
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05-27-2014, 07:27 AM | #46 | |
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05-27-2014, 09:00 AM | #47 |
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The first step is certainly to strip away all your fake IDs.
The PEBA, with its collection of knowledgeable and creative owners, will eventually be stronger for the work that went on to triage and "repair" the damage this caused--and the overall storyline of the league has been forced to pursue will wind up being part of the overall history of the league. But it is actually pretty sad at present to look at what remains of that once quite proud little LRS right now. |
05-27-2014, 09:54 AM | #48 | |
Minors (Double A)
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Olathe, KS
Posts: 125
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05-27-2014, 12:32 PM | #49 |
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05-27-2014, 03:16 PM | #50 |
Minors (Double A)
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 116
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You're a straight faced liar who don't even deserve the sympathy of anyone here. Galling that you are speaking as though you really don't see anything wrong with what you've been doing. I haven't seen a single formal apology from you, so you think some pledge to turn over a new leaf (with YET another alias) is going to sway people? To people giving him another chance, have fun getting your league irreparably damaged/hacked/deleted.
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05-27-2014, 04:45 PM | #51 |
Minors (Double A)
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Olathe, KS
Posts: 125
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I certainly hope not and I won't hesitate to pull the plug at first signs of suspicious activity. I'm all for giving people a 2nd chance and hope that this is in your past.
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05-27-2014, 09:07 PM | #52 |
Minors (Triple A)
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Illinois
Posts: 229
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I get the frustration of having someone cheat and ruin a collection of hard work, but really, people? He's a high schooler, a teenager, his brain is literally not finished remodeling from puberty yet. Don't let him in your leagues if you don't want to and don't join his leagues if you don't want to, but let's cut out all the name-calling--does harassing minors make you happy?
Kid, you're on the right path by coming clean here. With every league you join from here on out you need to be completely open and honest about what you've done in the past. Some people aren't going to want to let you join and you're going to have to accept that as a consequence of your actions, but when you find a league that will give you a chance, you can start on your road to becoming a trusted and respected member of the community again. As an aside--were you, by any chance, Jim Silviera Sr & Jr in NARBL? |
05-27-2014, 10:10 PM | #53 | |
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Location: Fredericton, New Brunswick
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Truth be told, he's already had and floundered multiple chances to be honourable, honest, do the right thing. As noted in PEBA he was controlling five teams... Prior to controlling multiple teams at the same time, he was kicked out of the league under alias Shannon Franklin for some illicit activity. He also had more than one team in CBL. These are only two of the leagues we know about, there could be more. Obviously this isn't an isolated incident. While actively cheating in PEBA, he tried to start up his own league as commish (World Baseball Allegiance). That's where Matt (Calzones) spoke up and put a kibosh to that. Who knows what he had planned for that league. I think it's safe to say that if he went to great lengths to have multiple teams and collude in OTHER people's leagues, he would have done the same in other leagues much more easily. Then when that all came crashing down on him he created a new alias and AGAIN tried to apply to the PEBA. This is how this came on Calzones' radar this time around. The nerve of this guy who really screwed our league over to create a new name and try to get in on it again. Then he also under this new alias tried to create another new league in this thread, dragging a well respected group like GM Games into his web of lies too. When he was first called out in this thread he even had the audacity to try to defend himself and call the allegations BS, all the while knowing the allegations were 100 per cent true. Even when coming out and admitting his faults, he has only apologized for "disturbing the peace in the OOTP community." I have yet to see a sincere apology to those he has directly impacted, the leagues he has tarnished through his actions. My opinion, it seems he's more sorry he got caught than sorry for the actions. So anyway, long story short, it's your prerogative to give him another chance. But is it a "second" chance? Not even close. Last edited by Cole; 05-27-2014 at 10:12 PM. |
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05-27-2014, 10:14 PM | #54 | |
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I made a trade with him in PEBA and he was relentless in pursuing me on it and getting it done and I mean that in a good way. He was good to deal with. Aside from all the extra garbage he would be a perfect owner or even commish. It's why it's so mind boggling why he decides to do all the extra curriculars. |
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05-27-2014, 11:47 PM | #55 | |
Minors (Triple A)
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Illinois
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That's why I'm saying we need to lay off the personal attacks. If he doesn't shape up, then no one will play with him and that's on him. If he does want learn from his mistakes, then we should cautiously allow him the chance to prove himself trustworthy again. Justice must be tempered with mercy, or it's only revenge. That being said, I do think that him being a commish is a bad idea given his current reputation and I wouldn't join a league he was running, though I wouldn't have a problem playing in a league alongside him. |
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05-28-2014, 10:49 AM | #56 | |
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I say this as someone who was a) a longtime member of the LRS, the PEBA sub-league that Charlie single-handedly wrecked and b) the father of a teenager. I fully get that the standard of conduct is different for a teen versus an adult. But to understand why some feel compelled to name-calling, here is more context:
Yes, the name-calling should stop. But I fault no other PEBA owner for coming here to vent.
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05-28-2014, 10:16 PM | #57 |
Minors (Triple A)
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 290
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This is why I am so reluctant to join an online league.
Look, Markus, if there was some way to have the leagues checked and then simmed it would be a feature that I know more than a few would welcome. Leagues could still have commissioners that love to run the bulk of operations. |
05-29-2014, 09:32 AM | #58 | |
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In regard to your suggestion to Markus, I doubt anything coded into the game could have prevented what this kid did. What he did was entirely out of game, through phony emails and such.
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05-29-2014, 09:52 AM | #59 | |
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I think this is WAY more prevalent in other types online gaming commmunities (like MMORPGs). |
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05-29-2014, 07:11 PM | #60 |
Minors (Triple A)
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 290
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Good points, guys.....thanks!
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