The Federal League 1914-1915

Spritze · 06-02-2016, 09:57 PM

I am wondering if the Federal League of 1914-1915 would be best served being set up as a minor league in those years as

1) OOTP does not support three major leagues anyway
2) Many baseball historians contend it was a minor league
3) The new historical minor league features would allow it to work pretty well

Anyone care either way?

Lukas Berger · 06-02-2016, 09:59 PM

I agree with all of your points.

I'd vote for making it a minor league.

Motorhead667 · 06-02-2016, 11:38 PM

Minor league

swampdragon · 06-02-2016, 11:55 PM

Agreed. It would be something good to have.

Padreman · 06-03-2016, 12:07 AM

Some descent MLB talent went there however

Le Grande Orange · 06-03-2016, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

I am wondering if the Federal League of 1914-1915 would be best served being set up as a minor league in those years as

1) OOTP does not support three major leagues anyway

Uh, why not get this changed instead? Makes much more sense, as it (a) better recreates actual baseball history, and (b) would be a boon to those who want to run fictional-historical leagues where the PCL (or other league) is raised to major league status.

Or are you talking short-term for OOTP 17?

Kronos · 06-03-2016, 01:20 AM

OOTP supporting more then 2 major leagues is something I've wanted since OOTP 3.

Never gonna happen, sadly.

MarkJ · 06-03-2016, 01:52 AM

I'd vote for major league, just to be contrary. I spent a lot of time creating the 1914 Federal League a couple of versions back and had a lot of fun doing it. I've debated whether I should let the league run its course with upcoming new (fictional) players but so far I just ran it through for one season.

sprague · 06-03-2016, 02:18 AM

I have noticed that Federal League players (at least pre ootp17) come into the game with listed federal league stats which make them superstars for those two years.
Perhaps labelling it a minor league would also cause the stats to become toned down by the AI so Federal league guys no longer are the top 5 batting average and homer leaders those years.

Thanks for your continued hard work in making OOTP better and better

Spritze · 06-03-2016, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Uh, why not get this changed instead? Makes much more sense, as it (a) better recreates actual baseball history, and (b) would be a boon to those who want to run fictional-historical leagues where the PCL (or other league) is raised to major league status.

Or are you talking short-term for OOTP 17?

I have no idea if this shortcoming (or the 19th century ones) will ever be addressed. Therefore the only way to currently get the Federal League into the game is as a minor league. Same with the Players League and the other short term 19th century third leagues.

Just starting with the Federal League as it was not a very major league playerwise. Sort of a AAAA league.

Spritze · 06-03-2016, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by sprague

Perhaps labelling it a minor league would also cause the stats to become toned down by the AI so Federal league guys no longer are the top 5 batting average and homer leaders those years.

It would. The minor leagues have several "toners" in play that the major leagues do not.

Hankyu Braves · 06-03-2016, 05:30 AM

Based on my limited knowledge, I'd say minor league.

Since the question has been raised, I might as well ask, because I don't get it. What is this "OOTP doesn't support 3 major leagues" thing?
Do you guys mean, 3 sub-leagues within the MLB set-up?

risp2out · 06-03-2016, 06:47 AM

Theoretically, it seems like "Independent" would be a more accurate descriptor for the FL, but I don't know what impact on stats/modifiers setting it as an Independent League would have.

JaBurns · 06-03-2016, 07:29 AM

Which ever way makes the most sense, to the people doing the work, to incorporate the Federal League . Any additional to this already amazingly detailed simulation is a welcome addition IMO.

Assos · 06-03-2016, 09:36 AM

It is the closest thing aside from the 1930s to 1950s PCL to what I would call a AAAA league. The FL had some bad pitching and higher offensive numbers that I would not call it a Major League, it wanted to be one, it was perhaps the last true attempt at a third league.
I agree, I one day would love to see the choice to have 3 or 4 league in one federation. Like maybe have the PCL and the Continental League pop up in the 1960s and keep the NL and AL the same.

mitchkenn · 06-03-2016, 10:39 AM

to get it in the game - sure minor league would work for me. thanks for all the work you guys do.

ThatSeventiesGuy · 06-03-2016, 10:56 AM

Indianapolis won the first Federal League championship, so it's major league IMO.

Besides, OOTP NEEDS to support three major leagues, just for all the "what if?" Federal/PCL/Continental/Whatever third major league scenarios people like to set up. And for 1800s realism.

Padreman · 06-03-2016, 11:10 AM

Was the Federal League a Major League?

Good article calls it a high level minor league

Le Grande Orange · 06-03-2016, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Hankyu Braves

Since the question has been raised, I might as well ask, because I don't get it. What is this "OOTP doesn't support 3 major leagues" thing?
Do you guys mean, 3 sub-leagues within the MLB set-up?

You don't need three subleagues, as there is already a feature in the game that would handle it far better, with fewer limitations: league associations. In fact, league associations were conceived in part for precisely the multiple major league scenario. (Not only that, but league associations would allow for greater statistical and league operational fidelity than the current two subleague MLB system.)

But, alas, the league association feature has in large part been left to wither on the vine...

Le Grande Orange · 06-03-2016, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Padreman

Was the Federal League a Major League?

Good article calls it a high level minor league

Well, if the Federal League in 1914-15 isn't a major league, then the 1884 Union Association is surely not one.

06-02-2016, 09:57 PM	#1
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,254	The Federal League 1914-1915 I am wondering if the Federal League of 1914-1915 would be best served being set up as a minor league in those years as 1) OOTP does not support three major leagues anyway 2) Many baseball historians contend it was a minor league 3) The new historical minor league features would allow it to work pretty well Anyone care either way? __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

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swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,509	Agreed. It would be something good to have. __________________ “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." -- C.S. Lewis

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06-03-2016, 05:30 AM	#12
Hankyu Braves All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 496	Based on my limited knowledge, I'd say minor league. Since the question has been raised, I might as well ask, because I don't get it. What is this "OOTP doesn't support 3 major leagues" thing? Do you guys mean, 3 sub-leagues within the MLB set-up? Last edited by Hankyu Braves; 06-03-2016 at 05:30 AM. Reason: typo

06-03-2016, 10:39 AM	#16
mitchkenn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Oregon, not by design Posts: 2,853	to get it in the game - sure minor league would work for me. thanks for all the work you guys do. __________________ "This is my opening farewell " - Jackson Browne “They make a desolation and call it peace.” ― Agha Shahid Ali "Maybe she just has to sing, for the sake of the song - And who do I think that I am to decide that she's wrong." - Townes Van Zandt "I saw a young man leaning on his wooden crutch - He called out to me, 'Don't ask for so much' And a young woman leaning in her darkened door She cried out to me, 'Why not ask for more?' " - Leonard Cohen "Hello darkness, my old Friend ...." - Paul Simon Before Mays, before DiMaggio, there was Oscar Charleston. "All the lies about Babe Ruth are true." - Waite Hoyt Avatar is the late great Townes Van Zandt. rip.

06-02-2016, 09:59 PM	#2
Lukas Berger OOTP Developments Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France Posts: 19,901	I agree with all of your points. I'd vote for making it a minor league.

06-02-2016, 11:38 PM	#3
Motorhead667 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 576	Minor league

06-03-2016, 01:20 AM	#7
Kronos Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Northern Ky. Posts: 318	OOTP supporting more then 2 major leagues is something I've wanted since OOTP 3. Never gonna happen, sadly.

06-03-2016, 01:52 AM	#8
MarkJ Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Washington State Posts: 36	I'd vote for major league, just to be contrary. I spent a lot of time creating the 1914 Federal League a couple of versions back and had a lot of fun doing it. I've debated whether I should let the league run its course with upcoming new (fictional) players but so far I just ran it through for one season.

06-03-2016, 02:18 AM	#9
sprague All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,921	I have noticed that Federal League players (at least pre ootp17) come into the game with listed federal league stats which make them superstars for those two years. Perhaps labelling it a minor league would also cause the stats to become toned down by the AI so Federal league guys no longer are the top 5 batting average and homer leaders those years. Thanks for your continued hard work in making OOTP better and better

06-03-2016, 06:47 AM	#13
risp2out All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 648	Theoretically, it seems like "Independent" would be a more accurate descriptor for the FL, but I don't know what impact on stats/modifiers setting it as an Independent League would have.

06-03-2016, 07:29 AM	#14
JaBurns All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Kelowna, British Columbia Posts: 1,266	Which ever way makes the most sense, to the people doing the work, to incorporate the Federal League . Any additional to this already amazingly detailed simulation is a welcome addition IMO.

06-03-2016, 09:36 AM	#15
Assos All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Just on the fair side of the foul pole! Posts: 1,772	It is the closest thing aside from the 1930s to 1950s PCL to what I would call a AAAA league. The FL had some bad pitching and higher offensive numbers that I would not call it a Major League, it wanted to be one, it was perhaps the last true attempt at a third league. I agree, I one day would love to see the choice to have 3 or 4 league in one federation. Like maybe have the PCL and the Continental League pop up in the 1960s and keep the NL and AL the same.

06-03-2016, 10:56 AM	#17
ThatSeventiesGuy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Midland, MI Posts: 3,421	Indianapolis won the first Federal League championship, so it's major league IMO. Besides, OOTP NEEDS to support three major leagues, just for all the "what if?" Federal/PCL/Continental/Whatever third major league scenarios people like to set up. And for 1800s realism. __________________ https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...00&postcount=1 Last edited by ThatSeventiesGuy; 06-03-2016 at 10:58 AM.

06-03-2016, 11:10 AM	#18
Padreman Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2013 Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.) Posts: 4,140 Blog Entries: 1	Was the Federal League a Major League? Good article calls it a high level minor league __________________ Chargers= Despicable Traitors Last edited by Padreman; 06-03-2016 at 11:18 AM.