Am I missing something????

Jdubs15 · 12-03-2004, 03:13 AM

Am I missing something, or is it logistically impossible to use the minor league options in online leagues? For this reason....

If you sim a week at a time, you obviously have to set the waiver period for 8 days. Otherwise no one would ever see that the players were on waivers. So with that being said, if I put a guy on waivers in order to demote him, and we sim a week, when the league file comes up, I still have to wait another day (so another sim) before I can take him off. So then when the commish sims, he gets the error message that a team has someone that needs to be designated for assigment.

Is there anyway to work it without making the commish have to do everything manually?

jazzrack · 12-03-2004, 07:39 AM

set the DFA for 14 or 15 days should solve that problem.
now will it cause other problems? I dunno

jmm8356 · 12-03-2004, 01:11 PM

Even though I don't play in any online leagues, I've been thinking about how to make waivers work for an online league, or rather, if it's possible to make it work at all... and I think I've got it figured out.

If your sim period is S days long, your waivers period should be (2S - 1) days and your DFA period should be (2S +1) days.

So that's 13 days for waivers and 15 days for DFA for a league that sims a week at a time. You subtract one from waivers because when a player is claimed, he spends one extra day with his original team, in waivers with "0 days" remaining... and you add one to your DFA period because when a player is claimed, he is transferred to the claiming team and then a DFA day is deducted... so if you set DFA to exactly two sims, a claimed player that is waiting for waivers again would run out of DFA days one day early.

How about an example?

Before the sim week that begins Monday, May 1, I waive Bob Hamelin (15d DFA, 13d Waivers). After simming a week, Hamelin is on the waiver wire (8d DFA, 6d Waivers) on May 8 and is claimed by the Cubs. On the last day of the next sim week (May 14), Hamelin is transferred to the Cubs (15d DFA) before a DFA day is subtracted, so the next league file (May 15) shows Hamelin on the Cubs with 14 days in DFA left. The Cubs want to put Hamelin in the minors, so they put him on waivers (13d Waivers). Sim a week to May 22, Hamelin is on the waiver wire (7d DFA, 6d Waivers) and nobody claims him. Sim a week to May 29, Hamelin has cleared waivers and has zero days in DFA left (but he just 'spent' his last DFA day, so there has been no "You cannot sim until this player is released" message yet). He is assigned to AAA, and all is well.

I suppose you could make your DFA period (2S + 2) if you want to avoid ever seeing anybody with 0 DFA days left...

The only problem with this system is that there is no opportunity to revoke waivers, but IMHO, this isn't so bad. Revocable waivers to remove players from the 40-man are only useful for players with options remaining, because you have to DFA a player to get them. Even if you revoke waivers on such a player who has no options left, he'll have to clear waivers to be assigned back to the minors. Plus if you allowed waivers to be revoked, the DFA period would have to be at least four sims long (claim, revoke and irrevocably waive, claim, transfer), which is a ridiculously long time.

So now I have to ask... am I missing something?

12-03-2004, 03:13 AM	#1
Jdubs15 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 46	Am I missing something???? Am I missing something, or is it logistically impossible to use the minor league options in online leagues? For this reason.... If you sim a week at a time, you obviously have to set the waiver period for 8 days. Otherwise no one would ever see that the players were on waivers. So with that being said, if I put a guy on waivers in order to demote him, and we sim a week, when the league file comes up, I still have to wait another day (so another sim) before I can take him off. So then when the commish sims, he gets the error message that a team has someone that needs to be designated for assigment. Is there anyway to work it without making the commish have to do everything manually?

12-03-2004, 07:39 AM	#2
jazzrack Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: still kicking Posts: 3,229 Blog Entries: 25	set the DFA for 14 or 15 days should solve that problem. now will it cause other problems? I dunno __________________ . "Never confuse composure for ease" Was once Head Cheese of Corporate League Baseball

12-03-2004, 01:11 PM	#3
jmm8356 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Lafayette IN (by way of Tonawanda NY) Posts: 1,673	Even though I don't play in any online leagues, I've been thinking about how to make waivers work for an online league, or rather, if it's possible to make it work at all... and I think I've got it figured out. If your sim period is S days long, your waivers period should be (2S - 1) days and your DFA period should be (2S +1) days. So that's 13 days for waivers and 15 days for DFA for a league that sims a week at a time. You subtract one from waivers because when a player is claimed, he spends one extra day with his original team, in waivers with "0 days" remaining... and you add one to your DFA period because when a player is claimed, he is transferred to the claiming team and then a DFA day is deducted... so if you set DFA to exactly two sims, a claimed player that is waiting for waivers again would run out of DFA days one day early. How about an example? Before the sim week that begins Monday, May 1, I waive Bob Hamelin (15d DFA, 13d Waivers). After simming a week, Hamelin is on the waiver wire (8d DFA, 6d Waivers) on May 8 and is claimed by the Cubs. On the last day of the next sim week (May 14), Hamelin is transferred to the Cubs (15d DFA) before a DFA day is subtracted, so the next league file (May 15) shows Hamelin on the Cubs with 14 days in DFA left. The Cubs want to put Hamelin in the minors, so they put him on waivers (13d Waivers). Sim a week to May 22, Hamelin is on the waiver wire (7d DFA, 6d Waivers) and nobody claims him. Sim a week to May 29, Hamelin has cleared waivers and has zero days in DFA left (but he just 'spent' his last DFA day, so there has been no "You cannot sim until this player is released" message yet). He is assigned to AAA, and all is well. I suppose you could make your DFA period (2S + 2) if you want to avoid ever seeing anybody with 0 DFA days left... The only problem with this system is that there is no opportunity to revoke waivers, but IMHO, this isn't so bad. Revocable waivers to remove players from the 40-man are only useful for players with options remaining, because you have to DFA a player to get them. Even if you revoke waivers on such a player who has no options left, he'll have to clear waivers to be assigned back to the minors. Plus if you allowed waivers to be revoked, the DFA period would have to be at least four sims long (claim, revoke and irrevocably waive, claim, transfer), which is a ridiculously long time. So now I have to ask... am I missing something? __________________ Jeremy from Tonawanda --- Go Cubbies! --- Unofficial Theta Tester(tm) "Oh, we got both kinds. We got country and western!" From OOTP 6: Designated for Assignment FAQ (Includes both problems and solutions! Ooooo! )