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07-21-2013, 11:08 AM | #41 | |
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3.5 + 1.5 = 5.0 Scouting is an imperfect science...problem solved. Seems like we get this same thread once a month and basically it is because people want something that isn't perfect IRL to be perfect in a game that supposedly reflects real Life!
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07-21-2013, 02:43 PM | #42 | |
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So I'm not complaining about anything - I'd just like for someone who knows the behind the scenes workings to explain this discrepancy to me so that I can understand it. If I understood what was behind it, I could make my own judgements/interpretations of the data. |
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For some reason, in my HOF, OOTP has Dan Brouthers and Mike Donlin listed as pitchers, even though they never pitched to a single batter in their careers. I change their positions to reflect where they actually played, and OOTP changes them back to pitchers. I do not know why it does this, nor am I really interested in finding out. It is a meaningless issue, as far as I am concerned, but obviously something is not working as it should, there. I do not have the working knowledge of the software to know where to dig for the cause, even if I did care to know what was causing that to happen. Quote:
What PSU has presented I see as proper functioning of the star rating mechanism, and not a bug. What you have described here, if I understand you correctly, indicates something is not functioning properly in your game. I do not see this in my games, but I really haven't been paying that close attention. I will be keeping an eye out for it though. For whatever it is worth, my first guess is that there is perhaps some sort of corruption that has taken place somewhere along the way with your league, whether starting it in v9 has anything to do with it would be purely speculative, on my part. If I see the same behavior in my league which I created in v14, I will certainly share that. Last edited by VanillaGorilla; 07-21-2013 at 08:15 PM. |
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07-21-2013, 11:37 PM | #44 | |
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I'm more than willing to accept the theory that something happened to my league between the multiple imports from 9 to 13. But I think I remembered asking PSU whether his league was an import and it wasn't. Of course, as you pointed out, what PSU is seeing may not be the same as I am seeing. PSU, can you clarify - are you consistently noticing the rating discrepancy throughout the course of a season - e.g. multiple monthly scouting reports consistently disagreeing with the star ratings on the profile? Anyway, I originally started this thread (before 14 was even released) after reading PSU's thread in the 13 forum, and after realizing I wasn't the only one experiencing this phenomenon, I wanted to see if it had been investigated and possibly fixed in 14. I can't say I've noticed it yet in 14 with my one test league, so maybe an adjustment was made, or maybe my 13 dynasty got corrupted along the way - hard to say. I would still love it if Markus came on here and gave us some in depth insight into how he's coming up with those OVR/POT numbers. |
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07-22-2013, 12:14 AM | #45 | ||
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The star ratings on the scout report are from a singular moment in time at 12:01 am. At that moment the star ratings on the scout report and profile are identical. At 12:02 am the composition of the league player population may have changed, and the change may have been impactful on the star ratings for certain players at certain positions that are represented by the star ratings in the player profile. That was a long way to say: same day does not equal singular moment in time The scouting report that was put together at 12:01 am gave star ratings for that singular moment in time. At 12:02 am, those ratings may not be the same. Quote:
Changes to the player pool do not affect skill ratings. Changes to the player pool do affect star ratings. And again, I will close by saying, "This is not a bug." fest |
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07-22-2013, 12:40 AM | #46 | |
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What you describe does not make sense. I really think something was corrupted, and if it was only with this one MR you saw the 1 to 4 star jump, then I would guess that the corruption was in that one player file. If ALL of your MR saw similar discrepancies (and the MR from all other teams) saw the same thing, then you probably would have seen this same thing with all MRs on all teams, which would indicate that it wasn't a corruption of that one player file, but a corruption or, perhaps, a compatability issue that came forth from the older versions and would have very likely caused this discrepancy for all players at all positions.* You did not mention that this was the case, and if it was the case I am certain you would have noticed it and made mention of it, here. In any case, what you described is something I have never seen in v 13 or v14. What PSU describes I see all of the time....because that is what we are supposed to see. Last edited by VanillaGorilla; 07-22-2013 at 01:03 AM. Reason: edit* |
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07-22-2013, 01:24 AM | #48 |
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It wasn't with every MR in that league, but with a large number of them.
In one of the threads VG linked, I posted about another reliever in my league (permalinked here). Felix Hernandez had been a stud starter, suffered a 12-14 month injury, and when he came back he was no longer being rated well as a starter (half star), and his suggested role was now bullpen rather than starter. When you changed his position from SP to MR, the star ratings on his profile page changed from a half star to 4.5 stars (74/80). But on his scouting report from the same day? (20/80). So this gave me another thought - is it possible that when the scouting report was made, maybe the AI still had him set as an SP? That would explain this scenario, but it would be an unlikely explanation for my original scenario, unless the AI just decided to switch DePaula from MR to SP and back to MR every month each time the scouting report was generated. But maybe something along those lines could be happening with the MRs in my league - on each tab they're being compared to different groups of pitchers in different roles. Maybe one compared the guy with all MRs in the league while the other compared him with all MRs in professional baseball including minors. Maybe one ignored the free agent MRs while the other one didn't. Maybe one compared to all pitchers with a *suggested* role of MR/bullpen while the other compared only to explicitly designated MRs. Or maybe my player pool just got "polluted" over the years and multiple imports. I don't know - I'm just throwing darts here. Markus - please shed a little light on how these OVR/POT numbers come to be! Do they both use the exact same code when deciding which players they compare against? I'm especially curious about how it's handled with pitchers and roles. I know people have observed this phenomenon with position players as well, but I'm not sure any of them have been as drastic as they were with pitchers. Last edited by hefalumps; 07-22-2013 at 01:30 AM. |
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When you changed him to a MR it no longer mattered that his stamina sucked or that he didn't have a third servicable pitch anymore. You stuck the info into your office computer across the street from the ball park and had your Excel application plot his abilities vs other MRs instead of SPs, and he became a 74 instead of a 20 on your screen, but the written scouting report, now presented to you through the team network via PDF, still shows him as 20 and will show him as 20 forever because he was a 20 when compared to other SPs when that report was submitted by your scouting staff as a SP. Quote:
I posted about Dan Brouthers and Mike Donlin returning to the pitchers wing of the HOF listing even though I change them back to their actual positions and having no idea why this happens. It shouldn't happen, but it's no big deal. Something somewhere is making them SPs in their position box. If this same thing is happening to De Paula then the output makes perfect sense! It is still incorrect as far as what we want the scouting report to show, but yes, it makes sense as to why his star ratings were so radically different (and improved) to the same degree every single time. Something got corrupted in your DePaula file similar to whatever got corrupted in my Donlin and Brouthers file. Whatever it is, it is only affecting the scouting report's read of his position, which is a very good thing. This is a great point you brought up here, unintentionally, and I only see it now, myself. That is: It is an absolutely great thing that the profile page star ratings are NOT locked into the last scouting report. Since they are not, we can change the position of any player and get an immediate reading of how that player compares to others at that, or any, position...not just SP vs MR but SS to 1B to LF to C to any position. How much would it absolutely suck if you had no idea (other than going through every team's roster) that Felix or DePaula would be better in your BP than as a SP????? Oh, that would suck. This is NOT a bug. CLOSE THE TICKET. And a big fest to all. Last edited by VanillaGorilla; 07-22-2013 at 04:00 AM. |
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FWIW, the short and sweet verdict. I sent the following snipped comments, as I noted, with my comments:
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07-22-2013, 11:19 AM | #52 |
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Really not at all and as a tool that depends on what you factor in your decision making. The scout says X as a stand alone snapshot of the player and the profile gauges his impact and relevance in comparison to the larger and current environment. You could make a case for either dependent on your own philosophy.
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07-22-2013, 11:24 AM | #53 | |
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Endgame, if you still have Markus's ear, I'd love it if you could get his take on my specific situation with the MR who has one star in his scouting report every month but four stars on the Profile tab. VG and I are sort of theorizing it might be because the scouting report is comparing him using a SP role and the profile tab is using a MR role, but it would be fantastic if he could confirm whether or not that might even be possible. And if it is, what might make it happen? The pitcher in question had 3/20 stamina and a suggested role of "Strictly Bullpen", so what might make the scouting report judge him as an SP instead of an MR? Any details he could provide on how OOTP handles star ratings/comparisons for pitchers and how it takes their suggested roles and actual assigned roles into account would be *awesome*. Thanks! |
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07-22-2013, 12:19 PM | #55 |
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I hardly have his ear. I slip notes under the door and hope for the best. Let you know, though.
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08-05-2013, 11:15 AM | #56 |
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Just FYI (FEI?), this is now fixed in the latest patch. Woohoooooo!
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08-05-2013, 11:48 AM | #58 |
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I don't know the details, but Markus told me there was a bug in the rating shown on the player profile page. As far as I know, the ones shown on the Scouting Reports page have always been correct.
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