It's sad when we see this happen

AESP_pres · 04-18-2011, 09:16 AM

Looks like the days of the last original player of my franchise will be over soon. As much as he was great for me all those years it's hard to see him become a pathetic useless player. Losing most of his offensive wasn't enough, but everytime the ball goes to his direction the risk of error is always present because all of defensive rating disapear (sad for a guy who won the golden glove eleven times in his career). When I think he wants more than 700$/year for the next three seasons... I just can't imagine wasting that much money and a rooster spot for three more seasons for a great guy with no career whatsoever...

It's funny how we feel about our player when we play the game... but I would like so much to see him reach the 1000 run scored with me.

Chicagofan76 · 04-18-2011, 10:22 AM

AESP I know what ya mean. I hate saving a Rooster Spot

for an aging player also. Duffy was a beast for me for 13 sns, but his defense became horrendous, he's been oft injured, and cant hit to my standards anymore.

endgame · 04-18-2011, 10:24 AM

What's the average league salary? How seemingly overpaid would he be?

AESP_pres · 04-18-2011, 10:44 AM

This is the teams payroll for this season (1888). The active rooster is set at 25 players, but I suppose the payroll includes the disabled players and the minor leaguers with major league contract...

and to give an idea of what the best or overpaid players salary are this is the highest paid one for my league.

endgame · 04-18-2011, 11:58 AM

In the grand scheme, if it were me, I probably wouldn't rule him out, but I'd try to negotiate a slightly lower salary. He may never return to his previous form, but I'd probably, like you, want to give him the opportunity. At what will amount to less than 5% of the payroll, it might be worth the risk and in addition preserve the fan base following him. Maybe you can talk him down to two years rather than three?

I know it's a random text element, but the only time I usually cut and run with these kinds of players is if they get an 'attitude' during negotiations. Then I find a way to get a couple maybe-players for them and send them packing.

AESP_pres · 04-18-2011, 12:12 PM

We never know maybe he will lower his salary requests if I wait after him to contact me in place of initiate the processus... Of course it's possible that it doesn't make a difference at all, since I was never place in front of that kind of dilemma. I don't want to see the fans starting riots in the streets of Brooklyn but I don't want to throw money by the window since I have to negociate with players who are good actually too.

Chicagofan76 · 04-18-2011, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AESP_pres

We never know maybe he will lower his salary requests if I wait after him to contact me in place of initiate the processus... Of course it's possible that it doesn't make a difference at all, since I was never place in front of that kind of dilemma. I don't want to see the fans starting riots in the streets of Brooklyn but I don't want to throw money by the window since I have to negociate with players who are good actually too.

how do u do your contracts in your league? I have never negotiated a contract except when i draft them...for 1901 which i still havent started playing that season. I switched it to 1 yr arbitration.

AESP_pres · 04-18-2011, 08:53 PM

I use the default rules, so after 6 pro seasons the players can become free agent. I find it more challenging even if it isn't realist, in fact the salary rest under control. By exemple Roger Connors is the best paid player because he is one of the best young player in the league and last year he became a free agent.

The A.I had a tendancy of locking the players with long term contract. I do the same with my young player, usually when they are eligible the second time for the arbitration. Sometimes it works great like when I sign a 5 years contract (740$/season) with Mike Dorgan, but sometimes the result is disastrous like when I gave 2,345$ for 3 seasons to Bill Wise who is more often injured than anything else....

In fact my team is an hospital for pitcher, by exemple last year I was so in trouble that I signed a 41 years old Cherokee Fisher and guess what? He was injured for a total of seven months after his first game (talk about throwing 300$ in the garbage). You have no idea of the crap I must claim on waiver to have some experience in my rotation....

Chicagofan76 · 04-18-2011, 09:29 PM

for my league now that i have 1 yr arbitration and accurate owners finances should be relative to what they actually were in 1901. I made a ton of trades and trimmed my overall payroll by about 5K. now that i have cheap skate Commie as owner i expect not to be able to get any good 1st rd picks, and now i will have to make better trades overall.

Athletics17 · 04-19-2011, 01:58 PM

@ adep_pres
I just noticed how your signature and avatar relate to the competition between jimmy wood and Ross Barnes. It gives a nice insight to your league. Sorry to hijack.

entropyw65 · 04-19-2011, 08:20 PM

Ross Barnes is ALWAYS my #1 pick when I start a league in 1871! He's the bomb!

Powderguy · 04-22-2011, 11:24 AM

Barnes is a monster in my historical replay I'm doing starting from 1871 as well.

swampdragon · 04-22-2011, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AESP_pres

This is the teams payroll for this season (1888). The active rooster is set at 25 players, but I suppose the payroll includes the disabled players and the minor leaguers with major league contract...

and to give an idea of what the best or overpaid players salary are this is the highest paid one for my league.

Do you collect great first basemen? If the ones not playing first can field at all, you should win every year.

Chicagofan76 · 04-22-2011, 05:43 PM

AESP & other I wanted to shopw ya how little difference there is in team payrolls and player salaries for my league in 1901 compared to yours 12 yrs earlier. like i said i just changed to now to 1 yr arbitration so i am expecting salaries to skyrocket over the next 10 yrs.Heres also what Banes has done in my league.

AESP_pres · 04-22-2011, 06:20 PM

Chicagofan76, Russ Barnes sure declined really fast in your league... at 32 years old his career was basically over

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Originally Posted by swampdragon

Do you collect great first basemen? If the ones not playing first can field at all, you should win every year.

I have only Martin Powell who is in fact a first baseman in this list. This is who I've as first baseman in my organisation :

ML : Martin Powell (32), Henry Kohler (36)
AAA : Jake Virtue (23), Tom O'Rourke (22)
AA : Cyclone Ryan (22), Jerry Kane (22)
A : Dan O'Connor (19), Mike Roach (18)

Nothing that exceptional in the minor, maybe Virtue but he didn't perform really well when I recalled him.

I never win (I've won two world serie in 17 seasons), my team is an hospital for pitcher, actually I've 5 of them on my disable list and they are all starter

swampdragon · 04-22-2011, 07:23 PM

Sorry, I thought you were Chicago.

AESP_pres · 04-22-2011, 08:15 PM

I'm glad I am not. They signed Roger Connor as a free agent before the season and this move make no sense since they already have Dan Brouthers under contract for 3 years. None of them can play another position than first base, so Connor don't play and he is quite mad and their win-loss average is only .318. Most of the time the AI is bright in this league, but this is sure a big exception

Chicagofan76 · 04-22-2011, 10:14 PM

When I 1st got 11 I tried an historical league and didnt know the players as well as I do know, other then the common greats. I had Ross Barnes, but I didnt know who Brouthers. In that league Brouthers was I thknk the 4 time consecutive MVP, when I finally traded for him at age 34. He quickly went downhill, I was paying him like 10k per yr. This time around I drafted Brouthers when I was the GM of the Brown Stockings and he is 1 of the 1st HOF ers.

AESP your buddy Jimmy Wood didnt do much in my league .284 398 H GG 1 MVP

AESP_pres · 04-23-2011, 01:05 AM

It's from the league I played with before this one, but stop because of the lack of player available in the game database. So In this one Wood never played with me, but it's kind of sentimental since he was the first star I had in OOTP 11.

But in this league he was quite a player too, but his career is mostly done even if he continue to play.

Dan Brouthers is God in this world (just look his numbers untill this season), but as the complete team in Chicago nothing works... he isn't the only one who underperform, in fact almost everyone in the team is unhappy or angry and no one is happy (maybe because of the Roger Connor non-sense... Who knows?)

And this guy was the first one introduced in my Hall of Fame last year. Personally I didn't think he deserve it, but I let the game decide and not interfere with its judgement.

I don't know why but I imagine a lot of people shouting Who the hell is this guy

scott1964 · 04-23-2011, 04:34 PM

Who the hell is this guy?

04-18-2011, 10:22 AM	#2
Chicagofan76 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Diamond, IL Posts: 6,339 Infractions: 2/2 (3)	AESP I know what ya mean. I hate saving a Rooster Spot for an aging player also. Duffy was a beast for me for 13 sns, but his defense became horrendous, he's been oft injured, and cant hit to my standards anymore. Attached Images

04-18-2011, 10:24 AM	#3
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,843	What's the average league salary? How seemingly overpaid would he be? __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________

04-18-2011, 10:44 AM	#4
AESP_pres Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Province of Quebec Posts: 3,700 Blog Entries: 25	This is the teams payroll for this season (1888). The active rooster is set at 25 players, but I suppose the payroll includes the disabled players and the minor leaguers with major league contract... and to give an idea of what the best or overpaid players salary are this is the highest paid one for my league. __________________ The FGs I did for the Universe Facegen pack if you don't want to download the complete file everytime the pack is updated. The complete set (1871 to 1959) Just the update (1950 to 1959) Last edited by AESP_pres; 04-18-2011 at 10:46 AM.

04-18-2011, 11:58 AM	#5
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,843	In the grand scheme, if it were me, I probably wouldn't rule him out, but I'd try to negotiate a slightly lower salary. He may never return to his previous form, but I'd probably, like you, want to give him the opportunity. At what will amount to less than 5% of the payroll, it might be worth the risk and in addition preserve the fan base following him. Maybe you can talk him down to two years rather than three? I know it's a random text element, but the only time I usually cut and run with these kinds of players is if they get an 'attitude' during negotiations. Then I find a way to get a couple maybe-players for them and send them packing. __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________

04-18-2011, 12:12 PM	#6
AESP_pres Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Province of Quebec Posts: 3,700 Blog Entries: 25	We never know maybe he will lower his salary requests if I wait after him to contact me in place of initiate the processus... Of course it's possible that it doesn't make a difference at all, since I was never place in front of that kind of dilemma. I don't want to see the fans starting riots in the streets of Brooklyn but I don't want to throw money by the window since I have to negociate with players who are good actually too. __________________ The FGs I did for the Universe Facegen pack if you don't want to download the complete file everytime the pack is updated. The complete set (1871 to 1959) Just the update (1950 to 1959)

04-18-2011, 09:16 AM	#1
AESP_pres Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Province of Quebec Posts: 3,700 Blog Entries: 25	It's sad when we see this happen Looks like the days of the last original player of my franchise will be over soon. As much as he was great for me all those years it's hard to see him become a pathetic useless player. Losing most of his offensive wasn't enough, but everytime the ball goes to his direction the risk of error is always present because all of defensive rating disapear (sad for a guy who won the golden glove eleven times in his career). When I think he wants more than 700$/year for the next three seasons... I just can't imagine wasting that much money and a rooster spot for three more seasons for a great guy with no career whatsoever... It's funny how we feel about our player when we play the game... but I would like so much to see him reach the 1000 run scored with me. __________________ The FGs I did for the Universe Facegen pack if you don't want to download the complete file everytime the pack is updated. The complete set (1871 to 1959) Just the update (1950 to 1959)

04-18-2011, 08:53 PM	#8
AESP_pres Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Province of Quebec Posts: 3,700 Blog Entries: 25	I use the default rules, so after 6 pro seasons the players can become free agent. I find it more challenging even if it isn't realist, in fact the salary rest under control. By exemple Roger Connors is the best paid player because he is one of the best young player in the league and last year he became a free agent. The A.I had a tendancy of locking the players with long term contract. I do the same with my young player, usually when they are eligible the second time for the arbitration. Sometimes it works great like when I sign a 5 years contract (740$/season) with Mike Dorgan, but sometimes the result is disastrous like when I gave 2,345$ for 3 seasons to Bill Wise who is more often injured than anything else.... In fact my team is an hospital for pitcher, by exemple last year I was so in trouble that I signed a 41 years old Cherokee Fisher and guess what? He was injured for a total of seven months after his first game (talk about throwing 300$ in the garbage). You have no idea of the crap I must claim on waiver to have some experience in my rotation.... __________________ The FGs I did for the Universe Facegen pack if you don't want to download the complete file everytime the pack is updated. The complete set (1871 to 1959) Just the update (1950 to 1959)

04-18-2011, 09:29 PM	#9
Chicagofan76 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Diamond, IL Posts: 6,339 Infractions: 2/2 (3)	for my league now that i have 1 yr arbitration and accurate owners finances should be relative to what they actually were in 1901. I made a ton of trades and trimmed my overall payroll by about 5K. now that i have cheap skate Commie as owner i expect not to be able to get any good 1st rd picks, and now i will have to make better trades overall.

04-19-2011, 01:58 PM	#10
Athletics17 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: jackson Hole, Wy Posts: 1,187	@ adep_pres I just noticed how your signature and avatar relate to the competition between jimmy wood and Ross Barnes. It gives a nice insight to your league. Sorry to hijack. __________________ Compilation of Uniforms

04-19-2011, 08:20 PM	#11
entropyw65 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The Colony, TX Posts: 58	Ross Barnes Ross Barnes is ALWAYS my #1 pick when I start a league in 1871! He's the bomb!

04-22-2011, 11:24 AM	#12
Powderguy All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: PA Posts: 724	Barnes is a monster in my historical replay I'm doing starting from 1871 as well. __________________ GREEN BAY PACKERS AND FLORIDA GATORS!! Road Through Baseball History (1871- Relive Baseball History From The Start (1871-1892) Hustling in the World Baseball Federation *Tampa Bay Rays: Destined for Greatness

04-22-2011, 05:43 PM	#14
Chicagofan76 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Diamond, IL Posts: 6,339 Infractions: 2/2 (3)	AESP & other I wanted to shopw ya how little difference there is in team payrolls and player salaries for my league in 1901 compared to yours 12 yrs earlier. like i said i just changed to now to 1 yr arbitration so i am expecting salaries to skyrocket over the next 10 yrs.Heres also what Banes has done in my league. Attached Images

04-22-2011, 07:23 PM	#16
swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,509	Sorry, I thought you were Chicago. __________________ “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." -- C.S. Lewis

04-22-2011, 08:15 PM	#17
AESP_pres Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Province of Quebec Posts: 3,700 Blog Entries: 25	I'm glad I am not. They signed Roger Connor as a free agent before the season and this move make no sense since they already have Dan Brouthers under contract for 3 years. None of them can play another position than first base, so Connor don't play and he is quite mad and their win-loss average is only .318. Most of the time the AI is bright in this league, but this is sure a big exception __________________ The FGs I did for the Universe Facegen pack if you don't want to download the complete file everytime the pack is updated. The complete set (1871 to 1959) Just the update (1950 to 1959)

04-22-2011, 10:14 PM	#18
Chicagofan76 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Diamond, IL Posts: 6,339 Infractions: 2/2 (3)	When I 1st got 11 I tried an historical league and didnt know the players as well as I do know, other then the common greats. I had Ross Barnes, but I didnt know who Brouthers. In that league Brouthers was I thknk the 4 time consecutive MVP, when I finally traded for him at age 34. He quickly went downhill, I was paying him like 10k per yr. This time around I drafted Brouthers when I was the GM of the Brown Stockings and he is 1 of the 1st HOF ers. AESP your buddy Jimmy Wood didnt do much in my league .284 398 H GG 1 MVP

04-23-2011, 01:05 AM	#19
AESP_pres Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Province of Quebec Posts: 3,700 Blog Entries: 25	It's from the league I played with before this one, but stop because of the lack of player available in the game database. So In this one Wood never played with me, but it's kind of sentimental since he was the first star I had in OOTP 11. But in this league he was quite a player too, but his career is mostly done even if he continue to play. Dan Brouthers is God in this world (just look his numbers untill this season), but as the complete team in Chicago nothing works... he isn't the only one who underperform, in fact almost everyone in the team is unhappy or angry and no one is happy (maybe because of the Roger Connor non-sense... Who knows?) And this guy was the first one introduced in my Hall of Fame last year. Personally I didn't think he deserve it, but I let the game decide and not interfere with its judgement. I don't know why but I imagine a lot of people shouting Who the hell is this guy __________________ The FGs I did for the Universe Facegen pack if you don't want to download the complete file everytime the pack is updated. The complete set (1871 to 1959) Just the update (1950 to 1959) Last edited by AESP_pres; 04-23-2011 at 01:19 AM.

04-23-2011, 04:34 PM	#20
scott1964 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 5,561 Blog Entries: 19	Who the hell is this guy? __________________ This just feels more like waiting in line at the Department of Motor Vehicles. PETA.....People Eating Tasty Animals.