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We all know that OBP was the undervalued player attribute in Moneyball.
What in your opinion is the undervalued player rating in Perfect Team? For pitching, I've heard Movement. Batting, maybe Contact or Eye/Discipline? I've had success focusing on exceptional defense. I also tend to build teams that hit for high average, but don't score enough dang runs. But that's another issue... I know it depends on what type of team you are trying to build, but what player rating in the game do you feel maybe gets overlooked? There seem to be a number of teams that have success at higher levels with a number of lower value cards, like Lava or Maddox. What's the secret sauce? |
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Power is very underwhelming, what works for me is:
Contact, base-running, OBP and Defense... come October, I would focus more on defense more than anything, I find that great defensive teams are very very hard to beat.
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I have a hard time thinking of movement as being overlooked due to the number of people who hold it up as the most important rating even going back to PT19. In fact, all of the major 3 ratings for pitchers are talked about quite a bit on the forums and amongst users. So if it is truly an "overlooked" rating, I'd have to go for something that hardly anyone discusses. It's possible the Hold rating could fit that description (at least when the major 3 categories are similar in overall value). Defense was very overlooked in PT19, but that hasn't been the case in PT20. For hitting... Oh wait, would it be a secret sauce if the secret is discussed?
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I think maybe defense plays too big a part in PT. Seems that many of the best players in history according to PT were horrible defensively. So, if you want a good defensive team you are left to pick from a tiny pool of players.
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Power. Because it seems quite good to me at levels below Perfect *
*Disclaimer: my best power team is my bronze team, but they do rake homers
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I know I may sound like a broken record on this, but I really feel like the game does not value historical players´defense properly. George Sisler for example was universally recognized by contemporaries as one of the finest fielding firstbasemen in the game and yet he´s a 53, which I find quite unrealistic. And in what universe is Tris Speaker a 44 in CF? I realize it was towards the end of his career but that cannot possibly be accurate. There´s tons of more examples, these are just the tip of an Everest of an iceberg.
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I totally agree. My experience is that great defensive teams are very hard to beat in the playoffs, especially on 5 games series.
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I've noticed this a lot too and not just the old school historical players. Torii Hunter 52 DEF? |
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True about MOV. For hitting... C'mon! Do tell! LOL! |
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Has anyone read Astroball? Great book! I wish I could apply what I learn in books like that to this game! LOL! |
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Speaker first 9 years: 1200 games / 3257 chances / 2909 putouts / 230 assists / 118 errors / 76 dp / .964 pct Trout 9 years: 1003 games / 2510 chances / 2462 putouts / 35 assists / 13 errors / 9 dp / .995 pct |
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I like the BABIP rating in helping to find the high average guys though it should be used with respect to other ratings to get a more complete picture. I'm always amazed at the consistency and quality of numbers Willie Keeler puts up for example and would rather have him than some of the power hitting guys that hit for a much lower average than expected (TWilliams). With so many concentrating on pitcher movement, it seems the power guys get penalized. Though I don't know, I would think their HRs are ending up as outs rather than singles/doubles.
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