Does luck ever turn around? - Page 4

rudel.dietrich · 05-26-2019, 01:07 AM

There is actually a perfectly legal and easy way to limit your teams growth and keep it around the level you want it at until you think you are ready to try and go higher.

I am sure many people use it but it seems many also do not since there are so many threads about people who jump up levels and then stagnate.

Goliathus · 05-26-2019, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

There is actually a perfectly legal and easy way to limit your teams growth and keep it around the level you want it at until you think you are ready to try and go higher.

I am sure many people use it but it seems many also do not since there are so many threads about people who jump up levels and then stagnate.

Enlighten me, father.

rudel.dietrich · 05-26-2019, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Goliathus

Enlighten me, father.

There is nothing saying you have to spend your PP right as you get it.
If you feel your team is not competitive then save it for weeks at a time and let it build.
At best your going to get relegated.
At worst you will sit still and then be able to open lots of packs and make a push.

As long as your putting your best cards out each week you are doing nothing wrong.
Nothing says you have to spend PP as you get it.
Let it build and spend it in huge chunks.
I think a lot of people are spending it as they get it and spending their way into mediocrity.

joehart · 05-26-2019, 03:50 AM

A while back there were some conversations about first investing into your hitters and holding off on your pitchers until you have the points to get good enough pitchers to compete at the higher level.

I can’t speak for it though since I have no real evidence that this method helps to generate sufficient points without moving up too quickly.

Maybe it is just me but after all these seasons I find relegation battles to be a fun challenge and great part of the game.
Always amazed at how many people get hung up on that need to always win.

Charlatan · 05-26-2019, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by joehart

A while back there were some conversations about first investing into your hitters and holding off on your pitchers until you have the points to get good enough pitchers to compete at the higher level.

I can’t speak for it though since I have no real evidence that this method helps to generate sufficient points without moving up too quickly.

Maybe it is just me but after all these seasons I find relegation battles to be a fun challenge and great part of the game.
Always amazed at how many people get hung up on that need to always win.

I tried doing that with a couple of teams but my conviction to hold off on the pitching didn't last long. It got to be too frustrating to see my team blowing lead after lead, and being #1 in BA and/or runs, but 30th in ERA. So both of those teams upgraded their pitching and are currently blowing up the opposition in Bronze and Iron. However, as with all things, promotion is not guaranteed, and only the best & luckiest teams get promoted year after year.

Interesting thing I just noticed though: both teams did really well (Iron won 105 games, Bronze won 106). Iron earned 15k PP and Bronze earned 10k.

Findest2001 · 05-26-2019, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Charlatan

I tried doing that with a couple of teams but my conviction to hold off on the pitching didn't last long. It got to be too frustrating to see my team blowing lead after lead, and being #1 in BA and/or runs, but 30th in ERA. So both of those teams upgraded their pitching and are currently blowing up the opposition in Bronze and Iron. However, as with all things, promotion is not guaranteed, and only the best & luckiest teams get promoted year after year.

Interesting thing I just noticed though: both teams did really well (Iron won 105 games, Bronze won 106). Iron earned 15k PP and Bronze earned 10k.

Wow! If I ever make 10k in a week I will quit playing because it will be all downhill after that. Most I ever made in a week was 6.4k

Goliathus · 05-26-2019, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

There is nothing saying you have to spend your PP right as you get it.
If you feel your team is not competitive then save it for weeks at a time and let it build.
At best your going to get relegated.
At worst you will sit still and then be able to open lots of packs and make a push.

As long as your putting your best cards out each week you are doing nothing wrong.
Nothing says you have to spend PP as you get it.
Let it build and spend it in huge chunks.
I think a lot of people are spending it as they get it and spending their way into mediocrity.

That actually sounds like an experiment I plan to do myself, mine also include playing the AH with the PP for fun and to see the bank grows.

Charlatan · 05-26-2019, 11:21 AM

The strategy to make lots of PP is to get a lot of relatively cheap cards like the 69 Carew, the 69 Tony Gwynn, the 69 Bill Madlock, Wes Parker, and others, and have a team that plays terrible defense but will knock the cover off the ball. That’s because there are many achievements for hitting and with a team like that it’s pretty easy to get a lot of PP. you should also try to get one decent pitcher for some of the pitching achievements, but the rest of the staff would be a bunch middle of the road Bronzes. That way your team scores a lot of runs but loses a lot and you don’t have to worry about getting promoted.

Goliathus · 05-26-2019, 11:31 AM

A good winning season usually nets me around 8-10k. 6.4k for a best is surprisingly low.

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I have stocked my team with something similar to the one who made 30K PP last season. A lot of great hitters and full-stuff pitchers. Movement and control be darned! You can walk all over me and hit the ball as good as my team, but I am getting the Ks. I went for a lot of Silver players though, they are not super expensive either, I think I only used 3K to finalize the roster for next week. Whether those Silvers are too good for the level, we will see next week.

Charlatan · 05-26-2019, 12:28 PM

Yeah 10k sounds like a reasonable upper limit for the amount of PP you should expect to earn. Now that I think about it, I believe the team that got 15k earned 4k for .... maybe an 18-game winning streak? Something like that. So absent that stroke of good luck, I would have earned around 11k.

mcdog512 · 05-26-2019, 02:01 PM

I think my Saints pulled in about 15k this season.

Westheim · 05-26-2019, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Findest2001

Just an FYI update of the thread's purpose, I am 27 1/2 games back, in second place, and if this team was removed from the league I would have the best record in the league.

He has a 27 1/2 game lead over EVERYONE. And my team has a 3 game lead in the wildcard standings.

I can't even fathom this kind of disparity. 3 of the six divisions don't have that much disparity between first and last, and he has that over the 2nd best team in the entire league.

I can't be the only one that gets this in every league I enter. There's too much discussion about pro/rel. This is Iron, folks. Does that not incite people to be somewhat frustrated at least?

No. If he is 27 up on anybody, bless him. If this *incites* you, maybe you should find something else to do with your spare time. OOTP shouldn't be hazardous to anybody's health.

Shadowz · 05-26-2019, 07:46 PM

This whole perfect team thing is broken. It is quite obvious they have no idea how to balance anything with this game. I feel sorry for anyone that has put in any real time or money into this game. Live cards actual ranking is about 10 points below what is shown on the card. I will take a 90 rated card that is not a live card over any 100 live card. None of them even worth 10K.

The playoffs are completely random now, talent level means zero. I am sure that is due to all the whining and hopes of keeping people from quitting. The AH is dead as no one else is ripping packs any more because they are not worth crap. The AH is dying, the message board is pretty lame and I expect perfect team itself will see mass people quitting. This entire set up is going to be a total failure and they will lose customers because of it. In the long run it will be realized as a huge mistake.

mcdog512 · 05-26-2019, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadowz

This whole perfect team thing is broken. It is quite obvious they have no idea how to balance anything with this game. I feel sorry for anyone that has put in any real time or money into this game. Live cards actual ranking is about 10 points below what is shown on the card. I will take a 90 rated card that is not a live card over any 100 live card. None of them even worth 10K.

The playoffs are completely random now, talent level means zero. I am sure that is due to all the whining and hopes of keeping people from quitting. The AH is dead as no one else is ripping packs any more because they are not worth crap. The AH is dying, the message board is pretty lame and I expect perfect team itself will see mass people quitting. This entire set up is going to be a total failure and they will lose customers because of it. In the long run it will be realized as a huge mistake.

LOL, we are all entitled to our opinion. I rip plenty of packs. I don't sell much. I highly doubt they find this a huge mistake unless hosting costs are more than expected.

Orcin · 05-26-2019, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadowz

This whole perfect team thing is broken. It is quite obvious they have no idea how to balance anything with this game. I feel sorry for anyone that has put in any real time or money into this game. Live cards actual ranking is about 10 points below what is shown on the card. I will take a 90 rated card that is not a live card over any 100 live card. None of them even worth 10K.

The playoffs are completely random now, talent level means zero. I am sure that is due to all the whining and hopes of keeping people from quitting. The AH is dead as no one else is ripping packs any more because they are not worth crap. The AH is dying, the message board is pretty lame and I expect perfect team itself will see mass people quitting. This entire set up is going to be a total failure and they will lose customers because of it. In the long run it will be realized as a huge mistake.

I have no idea where to begin on this post. All I can think of is... can I have your stuff?

Findest2001 · 05-26-2019, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mcdog512

LOL, we are all entitled to our opinion. I rip plenty of packs. I don't sell much. I highly doubt they find this a huge mistake unless hosting costs are more than expected.

I'm on the fence myself. I have 6 teams across both PT's, and 5 of my teams are competitive and one just keeps getting crapped on every year by random whales. It's gotten so bad for that team I am considering quitting PT entirely. I like the game, but quite a few people are jaded by the experience. It is certainly much different this year. It's harder to get promoted from Iron this year than it was to get promoted from gold and diamond in PT 19. Once you make it out of iron you're home free, but it's damn hard to do. There's just something very frustrating and demoralizing about being stuck in the lowest level of something through no fault in your own.

Pack luck is basically garbage now. Sure people come in here all the time saying they got like 3 perfects and a few diamonds in 10 packs or whatever, but I guarantee you that their luck tipped the scales out of other people's favor if that's how the odds work for pulls. I just hit my 1,000th pack last night and I still have yet to get a perfect. I've only gotten around 12-15 diamonds across both PT 19 and 20, and every one was a trash diamond except for Blyleven which sold for 53k. I've put over $400 into this now and still no perfect cards. That's total BS especially when someone else buys 10 packs and gets 3...I would've gotten as much enjoyment from that $400 bucks if I lit it on fire. Probably more.

PS And yes, Orcin. If I quit you can have my stuff

Orcin · 05-26-2019, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Findest2001

PS And yes, Orcin. If I quit you can have my stuff

Great, thank you!

Findest2001 · 05-26-2019, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Orcin

Great, thank you!

I'm sure it's worth pretty much nothing though seeing how I never got anything 👍 good

Findest2001 · 05-27-2019, 02:00 AM

No surprise. He won every game through the playoffs. So now he's in bronze. I wonder who will be the juggernaut in my iron league this coming season ...

Goliathus · 05-27-2019, 02:51 AM

Maybe you will finally get a break. I wish I can switch places with you. My pack team got promoted on the first goddarn season and I really wouldn't mind a few more to pull cards in Iron. Only good team(and I don't think it's a whale, dude has played 9 seasons and should have enough PP for his gold-oriented lineup) is on the opposite conference and he beat me 4-0 in the finals. This team I did not login throughout the week got the second highest wins in the conference. Goddarn it.

My other team which is also pack-only thatI did not touch over the week got a wild card slot. It didn't win that. The league looks whale-free too from what I see.

If you believe in superstition, maybe try thinking "I don't want to promote" and see if the reverse is granted. It's one of the many Buddhism theories. We are here (on Earth) to suffer so life will always give us what we don't want. You wish to be a normal person with family? Well, you got no family and have been granted great responsibilities. You want to be famous? Well, you can't no matter how much you try. I don't want to promote? Get promoted. Hey, if it actually works, credits on me, give me a thanks on this post at least.

05-26-2019, 03:50 AM	#64
joehart All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 1,131	Does luck ever turn around? A while back there were some conversations about first investing into your hitters and holding off on your pitchers until you have the points to get good enough pitchers to compete at the higher level. I can’t speak for it though since I have no real evidence that this method helps to generate sufficient points without moving up too quickly. Maybe it is just me but after all these seasons I find relegation battles to be a fun challenge and great part of the game. Always amazed at how many people get hung up on that need to always win. __________________ Last edited by joehart; 05-26-2019 at 03:51 AM.

05-26-2019, 11:31 AM	#69
Goliathus Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 449	A good winning season usually nets me around 8-10k. 6.4k for a best is surprisingly low. ------------------------------------------------------ I have stocked my team with something similar to the one who made 30K PP last season. A lot of great hitters and full-stuff pitchers. Movement and control be darned! You can walk all over me and hit the ball as good as my team, but I am getting the Ks. I went for a lot of Silver players though, they are not super expensive either, I think I only used 3K to finalize the roster for next week. Whether those Silvers are too good for the level, we will see next week. Last edited by Goliathus; 05-26-2019 at 11:35 AM.

05-26-2019, 02:01 PM	#71
mcdog512 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Pack Robert Gibson; November 9, 1935 – October 2, 2020 Posts: 2,339	I think my Saints pulled in about 15k this season. __________________

05-27-2019, 02:00 AM	#79
Findest2001 All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Boston Posts: 960	No surprise. He won every game through the playoffs. So now he's in bronze. I wonder who will be the juggernaut in my iron league this coming season ... __________________

05-26-2019, 01:07 AM	#61
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	There is actually a perfectly legal and easy way to limit your teams growth and keep it around the level you want it at until you think you are ready to try and go higher. I am sure many people use it but it seems many also do not since there are so many threads about people who jump up levels and then stagnate.

05-26-2019, 11:21 AM	#68
Charlatan All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 1,491	The strategy to make lots of PP is to get a lot of relatively cheap cards like the 69 Carew, the 69 Tony Gwynn, the 69 Bill Madlock, Wes Parker, and others, and have a team that plays terrible defense but will knock the cover off the ball. That’s because there are many achievements for hitting and with a team like that it’s pretty easy to get a lot of PP. you should also try to get one decent pitcher for some of the pitching achievements, but the rest of the staff would be a bunch middle of the road Bronzes. That way your team scores a lot of runs but loses a lot and you don’t have to worry about getting promoted.

05-26-2019, 12:28 PM	#70
Charlatan All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 1,491	Yeah 10k sounds like a reasonable upper limit for the amount of PP you should expect to earn. Now that I think about it, I believe the team that got 15k earned 4k for .... maybe an 18-game winning streak? Something like that. So absent that stroke of good luck, I would have earned around 11k.

05-26-2019, 07:46 PM	#73
Shadowz Bat Boy Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 15	This whole perfect team thing is broken. It is quite obvious they have no idea how to balance anything with this game. I feel sorry for anyone that has put in any real time or money into this game. Live cards actual ranking is about 10 points below what is shown on the card. I will take a 90 rated card that is not a live card over any 100 live card. None of them even worth 10K. The playoffs are completely random now, talent level means zero. I am sure that is due to all the whining and hopes of keeping people from quitting. The AH is dead as no one else is ripping packs any more because they are not worth crap. The AH is dying, the message board is pretty lame and I expect perfect team itself will see mass people quitting. This entire set up is going to be a total failure and they will lose customers because of it. In the long run it will be realized as a huge mistake.

05-27-2019, 02:51 AM	#80
Goliathus Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 449	Maybe you will finally get a break. I wish I can switch places with you. My pack team got promoted on the first goddarn season and I really wouldn't mind a few more to pull cards in Iron. Only good team(and I don't think it's a whale, dude has played 9 seasons and should have enough PP for his gold-oriented lineup) is on the opposite conference and he beat me 4-0 in the finals. This team I did not login throughout the week got the second highest wins in the conference. Goddarn it. My other team which is also pack-only thatI did not touch over the week got a wild card slot. It didn't win that. The league looks whale-free too from what I see. If you believe in superstition, maybe try thinking "I don't want to promote" and see if the reverse is granted. It's one of the many Buddhism theories. We are here (on Earth) to suffer so life will always give us what we don't want. You wish to be a normal person with family? Well, you got no family and have been granted great responsibilities. You want to be famous? Well, you can't no matter how much you try. I don't want to promote? Get promoted. Hey, if it actually works, credits on me, give me a thanks on this post at least.