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There are good reasons for MLB to send OOTP a letter about trademark violation, and I've already said as much. In a post above, I listed the reasons they would. But the mere fact they sent a letter is not evidence that they care very much. I find it bizarre that some people here think MLB either wants to make money from OOTP, or wants to change OOTP. The money they could make won't cover their legal costs, and it's hard to imagine why they would care enough about the details of OOTP features to pay an expensive legal team to spend many hours going over them in detail. OOTP just isn't big enough for it to matter. I find it odd that you think it impossible to determine how a court would decide a case unless you can find a previous one that matches it in "EVERY SINGLE ASPECT". If one astronaut pushes another out of a space station, would you be unsure of what legal decision would be reached on a murder charge because you couldn't find an identical case in the legal archives? |
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I'm just gonna leave this here. No more whining about not having proper names, now, okay?
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I have downloaded the game installer from the download page. The check for updated version led me to that page - it said my version was not up to date and led me to the 15.3.11 download (supposedly). I also reached it directly from the web site. But after downloading and installing, my version is still 15.2.8.
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We get it. There's a name thing / MLB licensing thing.
How do I download the latest update? The download installs the 15.2.8 version. |
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I used it, downloaded, and installed. The game version is still 15.2.8.
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All I was trying to do when I joined this thread was point out that MLB has a right to require OOTP to purchase a license to use MLB team names. Am I wrong????? |
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It sounds to me like the MLB is run by greedy idiots. This game alone got me reinvigorated in watching baseball. If not for this game, baseball would still be dead to me (ever since I blew out my arm as a top prospect for the Reds organization in 2002).
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I'm basically a new user to this game......can someone confirm for me that when I apply a patch and then we're instructed "need to start a new game for changes to apply" so does that mean I have to actually go back to the opening screen and check the box "new standard game", and not my usual "continue game"? By doing this I will end up losing all my stats for that league and I have to restart that season just for a patch or just because of this patch since it changes opening day rosters? I see this patch includes an "updated new opening day roster" but then I see mention by someone in the forum "saves are unaffected by new versions"? So is there a way of saving my game/league stats if this patch will erase all my stats for the previous game under the previous version?
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"Where are you seeing that it says 15.2.8, and what type of computer and operating system are you using?"
It shows the version number on the opening screen. I use Windows 7 on a PC. 5th time is a charm. Now it's the right version. Last edited by bazeall; 05-23-2014 at 04:33 PM. |
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Look, I understand that they don't want just anyone capitalizing on their trademark(s) without paying royalties. That doesn't mean they can't extend a license to OOTP that isn't greedy. The MLB reserves the right to license their trademark however they choose. So long as they continue to enforce the right to their trademark, it doesn't matter what terms they extend on an individual basis. The fact that OOTP was forced to remove the names so promptly speaks volumes about the MLB. In the very least, it means that the developers of OOTP were unable to agree with the MLB upon fair terms for the use of the license. The implications of that are fairly damning.
The third bullet is the best case scenario because it means there is hope for the future that an agreement can be reached. The fact that they were forced to remove the names in the mean time, though, makes me less hopeful. MLB is basically getting marketing that they didn't even have to pay for. They didn't have to invest anything into the development of this product. I'm all for them protecting their trademarks, but they don't need to bankrupt OOTP in the process. This game has been out for 15 years, and they are just now coming after them. Why? I bet it has something to do with the game landing on Steam. I don't think it's a coincidence. The game is gaining popularity. The MLB wants a piece of that pie. Last edited by baseballfan83; 05-23-2014 at 05:10 PM. |
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I should have said, wouldn't have a leg to stand on against other video games. However, I still didn't say anything about losing their trademark in that post. Specific talk of a trademark came up after that, IIRC.
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Ok I have stayed out of all this nonsense until now. Markus discussed the MLB issue in greater detail with the beta team a couple weeks ago and asked us to maintain confidentiality which most have done. I wish he had shared in more detail with the general forum but it is his choice not to at this time for whatever reason. With that said, the bolded parts of the post are pure crap. MLB has been aware of OOTP for at least 2 years ever since they made Markus take logo's out of iOOTP. The fact that Markus doesn't have a license yet has more to do with the glacial pace of MLB then the fact that Markus isn't trying or isn't happy with terms. All the doom and gloom is at polar opposites with how Markus presented it to the beta team. MLB doesn't want to bankrupt OOTP unless OOTP blatantly thumbs its nose at them. One last thing that people forget in all their legal advising is that OOTP is a German company where trademark law is different and complicates matters somewhat. Ok I've said all I can without Markus hunting me down and clubbing me with a beer stein but I really wish people would back off all the wild-eyed speculation. |
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