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OOTP 15 - General Discussions Discuss the new 2014 version of Out of the Park Baseball here! |
View Poll Results: Do you want team color text boxes back? | |||
Yes..It really adds to the immersion factor | 120 | 76.92% | |
No...It really doesnt matter to me at all | 32 | 20.51% | |
Undecided | 4 | 2.56% | |
Voters: 156. You may not vote on this poll |
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04-27-2014, 08:02 PM | #61 | |
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EDIT: I guess you are serious: Well, I stick by what I said. It's an irritant, that's all. Let's work on correcting it.
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The people who "can't tell the difference between team x and team y" and thus feel Markus and Co screwed up just make no sense to me. That's simply a matter of someone not paying enough attention to what they are doing and to me that is not satisfactory. However that'll be the end of me bothering you folks in this thread. I've said my piece and made my feelings known. That's all I set out to do.
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04-27-2014, 08:47 PM | #64 |
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Here's the scenario. I am playing an historical fictional game (real teams, fictional players) and I am letting the game update the logos and unis by using historical versions of those files (what a blessing). Problem is, the logos have the team colors (background and text) encoded in them. It's 1902, so maybe the background colors will become more differentiated over time, but for now many teams are using the same dark blue. Without the ability to differentiate the text color a bit (I haven't checked closely, but I think there is some variation there in the historical logo files), I see many match-ups like this one:
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I do stand by my statement "that OOTP Developments made such a disrespectful and selfish decision to remove the team colors in OOTP 15 that were highly favored in OOTP 14." I have expressed my disapproval of this change and I now go back to my logo making. Cheers!
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For what it's worth, using the MLB as an example: the Yankees, Rays, Tigers, Indians, Twins, Mariners, Braves, Brewers, and Nationals ALL default to similar shades of Navy & White. Meanwhile, the Red Sox, Cardinals, Reds, Phillies, Angels, and Diamondbacks ALL default to Red & White. The Royals, Rangers, Blue Jays, Cubs, and Mets ALL default to a lighter Blue & White. Yikes.
To those saying it's not a big deal: well, it's not. No one's saying it's a total game-breaker. I don't regret buying 15 in the least, and it's still a great game that I would wholeheartedly recommend to others. But I really, REALLY do not like this change. Try playing out a game between two of those teams above and tell me it isn't at least a little annoying to have only a few shades of difference between the two teams. Just being able to have tan text for Arizona and black text for Cincinatti adds an incredible amount of variation that we (obviously) took for granted before. The thing that I'm upset about, however, is the fact that this cosmetic change was FORCED on us. This is a game that is built and marketed on customization. Even the new UI comes pre-packaged with three different skins. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever to take any cosmetic option away from the players. As I said before, a default to white & black text would be fine, as long as there was some way to change it back. Last edited by Fyrestorm3; 04-27-2014 at 09:06 PM. |
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That said these statements are straight grade A BS and as close to "the dumbest things said" I've heard today. To imply that we, as customers, have any kind of ownership whatsoever over OOTP is ludicrous. We pay for the game as it is designed and if we, for instance, purchase a game before having all the specifics on said game like UI we give up said right to complain. We are big boys (and maybe girls. I don't think I've ever actually seen one here but I'll leave the option open) and responsible for our own financial decisions. Then there is the matter of acting like Markus is in some dark bunker somewhere wringing his hands together as he devises ways to screw his customers over. That just bothers me. Markus and the team work their tails off to give us as deep and customizable a game as humanly possible and to insinuate he forced something on us rather than making it customizable is damned insulting. If said UI functions could be customizable then they would be. That's just how Markus makes his games if history is any judge. Ok. Now I'm done. I'm sorry to any friends I may have lost.
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I think the difference here, Matt (and don't worry, I get where you're coming from, don't be afraid to debate) is that this was a customization option that was already in the game, and had already been in the game for years. It's not a brand new UI that has to be coded a specific way. It's the same type of in-game screen that we've had for quite a while, only now it's less customizable than it's always been. That's a step backwards; there's no way around it.
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Also, I think Fyre did a great job at providing his constructive feedback. This change was indeed forced against our better wishes. If the development team is going to ask what we want in this game then they should not be making these types of decisions. So far you Matt are the only one who's implying that we are saying that Markus is screwing us over - which is Grade A BS. Not me nor Fyre are implying that at all. Now, may I PLEASE go back to making my new logos, LOL.?
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Well I could see them changing it to make it easier on folks who have problems seeing colors. It's a pretty sizable part of the population and it can be a pain switching them all to make them visible in some situations. Not the greatest explanation obviously as it ignores the whole "we used to have it" part of the argument. To provide an idea however maybe rather than have the UI as a solid team color have the team text color fade in gradually. For a visual idea of what I'm talking about look at the default baseball card set, but with the color changing horizontally rather than vertically.
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So I'm sorry if you misunderstood that and took any offense to what I said. I really wasn't aiming any of what I said at you directly.
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I don't remember having much of a discussion about team colors during beta testing (that is, as it pertains to the text boxes on the field). I went back through some of the beta threads and found one person who raised the issue. Markus then replied with a quick explanation for why he made the change (namely, that some color combinations were hard to read). Then the person who raised the issue replied briefly. And then Charlie replied, registering his disagreement with the decision.
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It is true, though, as Charlie said, that objections were raised about the skins in general (namely, that the secondary team color was not being used). That discussion was more animated.
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See now that's how I imagined things went down tbh. And there I would agree, the fact the secondary team color isn't utilized in anyway bothers me.
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No friends lost.
As a consumer, as a conscious entity, I assume full ownership. It's not Markus' game. It's mine. I paid for it. I earned the money...I bought the license. He only makes it for me! Power is with the people not the CEO. The 99% could topple the 1% anytime they felt like it. I understand Markus is not a 1 percenter but my point is that ownership only exists because we (the consumer) allows it. Marcus is nothing without "the universal me." Unlike you I do not believe that supply-side economics controls the market. If Markus wasn't around someone else would quickly fill that void--I'm sure you have heard of football manager and a half a dozen others. I don't owe Markus a dime. I don't have to thank him he needs to thank me...the demand. The point of most of the disgruntled long-tern fans is the disregard for what the demand wants. Sure I am just one gut. Bow Tie is just one guy. It's folly to blow-off want the customer wants. Please I am not trying to be burly here. I'm trying to be methodical and 100% honest. I stand for the little guy. I stand for the consumer. Last edited by Honorable_Pawn; 04-27-2014 at 10:21 PM. |
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I hate to break it to you, but since you're an American what you bought was a license to the game. Thank Microsoft. They started it.
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I understand the license purchase thing. It is irrelevant to my point. It could be popcorn Markus was selling. He better check to see if people want butter on their popcorn or if they want vegetable oil. |
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If people ask for butter or vegetable oil after they've purchased and consumed the popcorn then what their choice is is irrelevant, however the customer will learn to check what the options are before they hand over their precious dollar and the seller will learn to offer options to reach an even wider customer base.
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