Tell me more about the 3D collada format - Page 3

PSUColonel · 01-27-2014, 08:37 PM

Nice Just....good stuff....I think Markus needs to hire you. You are a modding machine!

PSUColonel · 01-27-2014, 08:45 PM

Will it ever get to look like this? This is what google uses.

conception · 01-27-2014, 09:25 PM

The one question nagging me about these models is what to do about the crowd. I don't want every game to feel like Joe Robbie/Dolphins/Landshark/Sun Life stadium for the Marlins circa 2011, it's gonna be rather lifeless to watch a game without it feeling like there are people there. Scarcely any models I have seen feature anything resembling a crowd because the purpose is to showcase the architecture. I think that, upon game release, whoever has done their homework on this and compiles some stadium packs for the rest of us should try and come up with some basic generic texture at least that can be placed in the rows of the stadiums to look like there is someone there.

conception · 01-27-2014, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

OOTP will let you import .dae files, and the in-game editor then let's you edit the ball-location diagram (which is used in the simulation engine) so it matches the imported stadium. After all the OOTP needs to know where home plate, the bases, the walls etc. are...

That's what I envisioned in my head. How or where the viewpoint is set is going to define how these look when watching games.

The Wolf · 01-27-2014, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by conception

The one question nagging me about these models is what to do about the crowd. I don't want every game to feel like Joe Robbie/Dolphins/Landshark/Sun Life stadium for the Marlins circa 2011, it's gonna be rather lifeless to watch a game without it feeling like there are people there. Scarcely any models I have seen feature anything resembling a crowd because the purpose is to showcase the architecture. I think that, upon game release, whoever has done their homework on this and compiles some stadium packs for the rest of us should try and come up with some basic generic texture at least that can be placed in the rows of the stadiums to look like there is someone there.

I have always maintained that once 3D graphics were introduced that the game would become about graphics, as more and more demands for better and better graphics were made. Please don't prove me right before they are even released.

conception · 01-27-2014, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

I have always maintained that once 3D graphics were introduced that the game would become about graphics, as more and more demands for better and better graphics were made. Please don't prove me right before they are even released.

Right now its up to the users to create the ballparks in the same way it was when we could only use flat images (aka now). My suggestion is no more than saying I would think a blueturf or Teflon ballpark would look better if it looked like people were watching.

The Wolf · 01-28-2014, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by conception

Right now its up to the users to create the ballparks in the same way it was when we could only use flat images (aka now). My suggestion is no more than saying I would think a blueturf or Teflon ballpark would look better if it looked like people were watching.

I understand. But do be aware that it's the beginning of the slippery slope.

The Wolf · 01-28-2014, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by lukasberger

That could look a little better

He wanted a 3D Turner Field. He didn't say that it had to be awesome.

justafan · 01-28-2014, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by conception

The one question nagging me about these models is what to do about the crowd. I don't want every game to feel like Joe Robbie/Dolphins/Landshark/Sun Life stadium for the Marlins circa 2011, it's gonna be rather lifeless to watch a game without it feeling like there are people there. Scarcely any models I have seen feature anything resembling a crowd because the purpose is to showcase the architecture. I think that, upon game release, whoever has done their homework on this and compiles some stadium packs for the rest of us should try and come up with some basic generic texture at least that can be placed in the rows of the stadiums to look like there is someone there.

Yes, you can add a crowd.

This is not perfect, but here's my first try.

The Wolf · 01-28-2014, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by justafan

Yes, you can add a crowd.

This is not perfect, but here's my first try.

Good enough.

Markus Heinsohn · 01-30-2014, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by conception

The one question nagging me about these models is what to do about the crowd. I don't want every game to feel like Joe Robbie/Dolphins/Landshark/Sun Life stadium for the Marlins circa 2011, it's gonna be rather lifeless to watch a game without it feeling like there are people there. Scarcely any models I have seen feature anything resembling a crowd because the purpose is to showcase the architecture. I think that, upon game release, whoever has done their homework on this and compiles some stadium packs for the rest of us should try and come up with some basic generic texture at least that can be placed in the rows of the stadiums to look like there is someone there.

Yes, that is indeed a problem where we do not have a solution for yet. But, as I said, this is just the start and we'll be improving the feature constantly over the next years...

joefromchicago · 01-30-2014, 08:36 AM

Adding a crowd shouldn't be too difficult. Just create a new texture.

Markus Heinsohn · 01-30-2014, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by joefromchicago

Adding a crowd shouldn't be too difficult. Just create a new texture.

Yes, but I would like it to work that you could display different degrees of crowds. So a 50% filled stadium would have a different crowd texture than a 75% filled one. Since I have no clue about 3D models (I do not handle that part of the project), I am not sure if this would be easy.... anyway, we'll figure something out.

conception · 01-30-2014, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Yes, that is indeed a problem where we do not have a solution for yet. But, as I said, this is just the start and we'll be improving the feature constantly over the next years...

This was something I figured to be a user-end thing for now, I really posed the question to stimulate the minds of those who would be creating models upon release, or at least capable of modifying what's already out there (and as somebody demonstrated, it can be capably compensated relatively easily). My worry wasn't that a working solution wouldn't be found for OOTP15, it was just wondering if it had occurred to anyone yet that the models being looked at and discussed would need to be modified with a crowd to really be complete, and just pondering how easily that could be done since I have no experience in these matters.

The variable crowd idea does sound like a cool idea for down the road, and it's something that I certainly haven't noticed in a lot of the sports games I play. Regardless of how much my team stinks, the park still looks like it's packed when I visit.

LeiterFanatic · 01-31-2014, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Yes, but I would like it to work that you could display different degrees of crowds. So a 50% filled stadium would have a different crowd texture than a 75% filled one. Since I have no clue about 3D models (I do not handle that part of the project), I am not sure if this would be easy.... anyway, we'll figure something out.

Wow. The Boss is charging down the slippery slope. If it were one of us minions, Wolf would have slapped us down by now! Lol

The Wolf · 01-31-2014, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by LeiterFanatic

Wow. The Boss is charging down the slippery slope. If it were one of us minions, Wolf would have slapped us down by now! Lol

You mean that I should be upset that he's proving me right?

I told you this was going to happen. Goodbye game, hello pretty pictures.

silvam14 · 01-31-2014, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

You mean that I should be upset that he's proving me right?

I told you this was going to happen. Goodbye game, hello pretty pictures.

If there is one thing over the years on this here forum that I've learned, it is that The Wolf is never wrong (just ask him).

Since that is the case, SHUT 'ER DOWN EVERYONE! OOTP is in a death spiral! Wolf said so!

David Watts · 01-31-2014, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by silvam14

If there is one thing over the years on this here forum that I've learned, it is that The Wolf is never wrong (just ask him).

Since that is the case, SHUT 'ER DOWN EVERYONE! OOTP is in a death spiral! Wolf said so!

I really think OOTP needs some form of color coded distress levels The Wolf could use to warn us all of just how close OOTP is to teetering off the cliff to total oblivion.

justafan · 01-31-2014, 10:25 AM

Oh boy, here goes another thread in the crapper.

ajsas01 · 01-31-2014, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

I really think OOTP needs some form of color coded distress levels The Wolf could use to warn us all of just how close OOTP is to teetering off the cliff to total oblivion.

Gee, I don't know if he would have the ego to be able to handle such a responsibility

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conception All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,149	The one question nagging me about these models is what to do about the crowd. I don't want every game to feel like Joe Robbie/Dolphins/Landshark/Sun Life stadium for the Marlins circa 2011, it's gonna be rather lifeless to watch a game without it feeling like there are people there. Scarcely any models I have seen feature anything resembling a crowd because the purpose is to showcase the architecture. I think that, upon game release, whoever has done their homework on this and compiles some stadium packs for the rest of us should try and come up with some basic generic texture at least that can be placed in the rows of the stadiums to look like there is someone there.