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Old 08-12-2018, 02:45 PM   #41
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I'll vote in favor of expansions when the Rays and As either get better stadium deals nearby or outright move states.
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Old 08-12-2018, 02:58 PM   #42
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I'll vote in favor of expansions when the Rays and As either get better stadium deals nearby or outright move states.
Your vote counts as much as mine does. None at all.

He'll likely do this before Miami/TB/Oakland are situated.

Miami's drawing 8500 a game. Move them. Same for TB and either get a stadium in OAK or move to Vegas.
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Your vote counts as much as mine does. None at all.
No need to rain on my parade . I like feeling like a unique snowflake!
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Both Florida teams need to be folded or relocated. Forget expansion. I vote folding them. The only benefit of having 32 teams is having four divisions and - if baseball is smart (which it's not) - once again having teams that WIN their division in the playoffs. No more wild-crap.

Eliminating interleague play would nice too, but you don't have to expand to get rid of it. They can - and should - just get rid of it. Bonus if they dump the DH, or modify the rule in some way.

Plus, I don't get the desire to have a team in Montreal again. It ultimately failed the first time (we can debate reasons why, but ultimately it FAILED) Why do we think it would work the second time? If you want to do anything, move a Florida team there. That way can draw 8500 a night in a new city.

And eliminate all adverts on the backstop and outfield walls, just for good measure.

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Old 08-13-2018, 11:22 PM   #45
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Both Florida teams need to be folded or relocated. Forget expansion. I vote folding them. The only benefit of having 32 teams is having four divisions and - if baseball is smart (which it's not) - once again having teams that WIN their division in the playoffs. No more wild-crap.

Eliminating interleague play would nice too, but you don't have to expand to get rid of it. They can - and should - just get rid of it. Bonus if they dump the DH, or modify the rule in some way.

Plus, I don't get the desire to have a team in Montreal again. It ultimately failed the first time (we can debate reasons why, but ultimately it FAILED) Why do we think it would work the second time? If you want to do anything, move a Florida team there. That way can draw 8500 a night in a new city.

And eliminate all adverts on the backstop and outfield walls, just for good measure.
Sorry all I heard was "get off my lawn" and "turn that music down".

With that said I agree that teams in Florida just don't seem to work and I'd be ok with expanding the active roster to 27 to help accommodate the loss of slots of the teams that fold.

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...Is this a traditionalist circlejerk? Anyway, getting back to what LGO said earlier:
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A 6-5-5 league is still harder to schedule for since two of the divisions cannot have full division play going on at the same time. That means it can be hard to get a schedule format in which clubs across the divisions play equitable distributions of division and non-division games.
We've seen this before in the 1998-2012 NL, and the biggest scheduling troubles from that era (the leagues having different numbers of teams and the requirement for a squeeze week) no longer exist.

Comparing the current schedule structure (with 20 interleague games per team) to a proposed 6-5-5 structure (with 18 interleague games per team), it's easy to theorize such a schedule, but hard to execute it.
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I'd be ok with expanding the active roster to 27 to help accommodate the loss of slots of the teams that fold.

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That's actually not a bad idea.
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Im starting to warm up to the idea of eliminating divisions or just have 2 and seeding the rest. I know they wont but i dont want to see 100 win wild card team in a 1 game playoff while an 80 win team gets a 5 game series just because their division was crap. IMO if a team can win 95-100 games they deserve more than a 1 game playoff. I may be the only one but i really really hate 1 game playoffs in baseball. I know its been done before but i prefer at least 3 games.
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I don't get the hatred for 4-team divisions.
Me neither. Some of you mentioned the possibility of "undeserving" teams making the playoffs. So? Weak teams will be eliminated in the first round...usually. But sometimes, one of those "undeserving" teams will go all the way, and that will be truly exciting. We need more "exciting" in baseball.
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Plus, I don't get the desire to have a team in Montreal again. It ultimately failed the first time (we can debate reasons why, but ultimately it FAILED) Why do we think it would work the second time? .
Funny that. I always wondered the desire for wanting a team in Washington DC, having three teams that have died there over the last century and change. And its even a smaller market then Montreal. I wonder why Selig and friends thought it would work the fourth time....
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Funny that. I always wondered the desire for wanting a team in Washington DC, having three teams that have died there over the last century and change. And its even a smaller market then Montreal. I wonder why Selig and friends thought it would work the fourth time....
There is a boatload of money in the DC metro area. Market size is far more than population, it has a lot to do with the amount of disposable income people can spend.
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There is a boatload of money in the DC metro area. Market size is far more than population, it has a lot to do with the amount of disposable income people can spend.
Measured in sonething like GDP for example? Because if so, Montreal comea out dedicively ahead of Washington DC, even with currency conversion factored in. Plus theres a surprsingly lot of rich people in Montreal, probably because it was Canadas version of NYC till the 70s.

Of course the source is wikipedia, so there that

So ya thats probably not the reason why Washington got a fourth try at a team.

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Not all of it, I am sure there were some backroom deals or shenanigans.
Wash rates in the top 1/2 of MLB markets. This is about 2 years old.

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And keep in mind that the White Sox and Athletics both have less than the Nationals' market share IRL, because of being the second team in a two-team market. So the Nats are effectively #10.

(Mets and Angels are also second teams, but I'd still rank them ahead of the Nats.)
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Not all of it, I am sure there were some backroom deals or shenanigans.
Wash rates in the top 1/2 of MLB markets. This is about 2 years old.
Here is how MLB and the MLBPA rank the markets for revenue sharing purposes, as given in the latest CBA:

1 - NYA
1 - NYN
3 - LAN
3 - ANA
5 - CHN
5 - CHA
7 - TOR
8 - WAS
9 - PHI
10 - OAK
10 - SFN
12 - BOS
12 - TEX
14 - ATL
15 - HOU
16 - SEA
17 - MIN
18 - DET
19 - ARI
19 - TBA
21 - BAL
21 - COL
23 - MIA
24 - CLE
25 - SDN
26 - SLN
27 - PIT
28 - KCA
29 - MIL
30 - CIN
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