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Old 09-27-2009, 06:38 PM   #1
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Minor League Statistics - Spritze

Back in September 2006 Spritze announced a database of of actual (non-MLE) statistics of MLB players who debuted between 1948-1973 with some Japanese and Negro League players also. I have been unable to locate the correct file on a working website. All the files that I have been able to find and download contain translated statistics instead of the original stats. Does anyone know where this database may be obtained?
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Old 09-27-2009, 08:56 PM   #2
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Back in September 2006 Spritze announced a database of of actual (non-MLE) statistics of MLB players who debuted between 1948-1973 with some Japanese and Negro League players also. I have been unable to locate the correct file on a working website. All the files that I have been able to find and download contain translated statistics instead of the original stats. Does anyone know where this database may be obtained?
Well, I do.
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Old 09-27-2009, 09:24 PM   #3
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Well, I do.
Is the data still online somewhere? Everything that I tried had the translated stats. If it is could you post a link?

If not, are you are willing to (re-)share this data? If so I'm obviously interested and would definitely be appreciative of it being emailed to me. Or if others are still interested in it perhaps it could be re-posted?
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Old 09-27-2009, 10:10 PM   #4
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Sorry. I had to rush off there...........

Yes this data is available. It has never been posted because no one was interested.

I added every Japan league player into the db, that added about 6,000 players so now the db contains around 23,084 players and 97,551 minor league or japanese or mexican or cuban or negro league seasons.

Keep in mind that none, zip, zero, nil, nada of the data will import into OOTP without changing league and team ID's.

I'll send it to PadresFans site for postering in a day or three, as soon as I get home. I'm in NYC visiting my granddaughter the next couple of days. Gonna see "Wicked" too.

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Old 09-28-2009, 04:41 PM   #5
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How difficult would it be for Markus to support these kind of databases in say OOTP11? I can't see how it would be a huge amount of work if they are in a similar format to the Lahamn database.
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Old 09-28-2009, 05:40 PM   #6
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How difficult would it be for Markus to support these kind of databases in say OOTP11? I can't see how it would be a huge amount of work if they are in a similar format to the Lahamn database.
It probably IS a huge amount of work.

If the original assumptions made during the design phase of a program do not allow for the addition of unknown future data it is generally not programming time efficient to replace them unless the code is written in discrete self contained chunks that can be removed and rewritten as a whole. That is generally why programs need a complete rewrite every 5 years or so. Things change.
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It probably IS a huge amount of work.

If the original assumptions made during the design phase of a program do not allow for the addition of unknown future data it is generally not programming time efficient to replace them unless the code is written in discrete self contained chunks that can be removed and rewritten as a whole. That is generally why programs need a complete rewrite every 5 years or so. Things change.
That's true, but if the data is in the same or a similar format to the Lahman data wouldn't be a lot less work to adapt what is already there?
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Old 09-28-2009, 06:01 PM   #8
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It is in the Lahman format exactly. Only the team and league abbreviations are different. That may be enough to confuse the import system. I believe in that case all the players are put into the free agent pile.

Besides when one is deciding if something is a lot of work or a little work, if you ain't doing it you don't get a vote.

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Old 09-28-2009, 06:32 PM   #9
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It is in the Lahman format exactly. Only the team and league abbreviations are different. That may be enough to confuse the import system. I believe in that case all the players are put into the free agent pile.
My idea was that the import system be expanded to deal with other leagues.

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Besides when one is deciding if something is a lot of work or a little work, if you ain't doing it you don't get a vote.
Well yeah, that is very true.
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Old 09-30-2009, 04:46 PM   #10
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I created the CSV files this morning from the database.

If you try to open these CSV's with a spreadsheet most of the files will truncate as there are too many rows for a spreadsheet to handle so it is best to import them into a database of your choice before fiddling around with them.

I will zip them up later today and send them to Ms. Padre tomorrow.

Atchelly sent them today. Watch 4 it.

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Old 10-04-2009, 02:23 PM   #11
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Atchelly sent them today. Watch 4 it.

Wasn't that a dance in the 60's....."The Atchelly"
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Old 10-06-2009, 12:47 AM   #12
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Spritze DB 10.4 Finished

I will send this db to Padre in the AM. Tested with latest version of OOTPx(the one that has not seen the light of day yet). Includes nearly every Japanese League player ever as well as the usual Negro, minor league and other stars. Players are set to be on the team they are most associated with, Ruth will be a Yankee and not a RedSoxian with this db.

I am going to send forth another db in a week or so with everyone set to be in whichever organization they actually were in that year. It will be exactly the same as this one but the organization a player was in will be historically accurate. This will make most players enter as free agents as that is what nearly everyone was before the draft was instigated in the 1960's.

This db has gap seasons filled in and where I have not gotten to a players minor league record yet a place-holder record exists that takes the players actual major league record and runs it through a few hoops to get an age appropriate approximation. All players 1943-1974 have their actual minor league records converted to neutralized MLE's for inclusion in this db.

With this number of players available I find the minor leagues in OOTP endlessly fascinating.

Year NumberOfAvailablePlayers
1871 250
1872 292
1873 350
1874 427
1875 501
1876 556
1877 634
1878 707
1879 786
1880 852
1881 929
1882 1029
1883 1166
1884 1249
1885 1327
1886 1386
1887 1435
1888 1496
1889 1561
1890 1575
1891 1573
1892 1571
1893 1620
1894 1638
1895 1668
1896 1678
1897 1695
1898 1699
1899 1706
1900 1661
1901 1677
1902 1685
1903 1748
1904 1783
1905 1817
1906 1860
1907 1949
1908 2034
1909 2131
1910 2195
1911 2255
1912 2317
1913 2377
1914 2429
1915 2456
1916 2485
1917 2484
1918 2523
1919 2543
1920 2523
1921 2519
1922 2502
1923 2471
1924 2444
1925 2425
1926 2370
1927 2327
1928 2269
1929 2218
1930 2170
1931 2171
1932 2180
1933 2183
1934 2261
1935 2306
1936 2409
1937 2511
1938 2602
1939 2688
1940 2753
1941 2818
1942 2880
1943 2967
1944 3070
1945 3142
1946 3145
1947 3161
1948 3158
1949 3206
1950 3255
1951 3232
1952 3254
1953 3264
1954 3286
1955 3296
1956 3284
1957 3287
1958 3234
1959 3228
1960 3225
1961 3262
1962 3296
1963 3350
1964 3395
1965 3490
1966 3546
1967 3586
1968 3610
1969 3630
1970 3625
1971 3585
1972 3569
1973 3561
1974 3555
1975 3594
1976 3611
1977 3603
1978 3614
1979 3669
1980 3654
1981 3684
1982 3715
1983 3734
1984 3766
1985 3784
1986 3834
1987 3882
1988 3952
1989 3978
1990 4061
1991 4119
1992 4163
1993 4214
1994 4291
1995 4362
1996 4399
1997 4461
1998 4507
1999 4510
2000 4525
2001 4484
2002 4440
2003 4309
2004 4136
2005 3890
2006 3647
2007 3361
2008 3093
2009 2673
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A naive question because I'm naive about these database sorts of things:
If you used your data base but began with an inaugural draft and had the new players enter the amateur draft instead of being assigned to their original teams, would it work like the historical database included with OOTP? Let me know if that was confusingly worded.

Thanks. I'm longing to play the 30's and 40's with Major Leaguers and Negro Leaguers available for integrated teams.
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Old 10-07-2009, 08:08 PM   #14
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Yes thou mayest use this db like that.

In factoid I personally use this db that way sometimes and actually tested it under that scenario scenariotestwiseificationally.

I made up that last word so don't try and look it up in your Wikipedia yet but it still is a "true dat" thing.

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Old 10-08-2009, 12:20 AM   #15
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I am going to send forth another db in a week or so with everyone set to be in whichever organization they actually were in that year.
So, am I reading this correctinfactually? As in starting a league in a certain year and having the players where they were historicalectionally where they were that year?
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Old 10-08-2009, 03:22 AM   #16
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Yes

and that is two more words in my quest to add 10,000 meaningless new words to the English language via Wikipedia!
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Old 10-08-2009, 01:17 PM   #17
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and that is two more words in my quest to add 10,000 meaningless new words to the English language via Wikipedia!
Couldn't you be accused of coalstonewcastlebringing?

Or is this, auf Deutsch, just a smokescreen for the Final Solution to the English Language Problem, via the concatenation of otherwise innocent syllables into meaninglessthoughlengthy gibberish? Ja oder Nein?
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Old 10-08-2009, 03:30 PM   #18
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"coalstonewcastlebringing" makes perfect sense to me.

Not meaningless and not gibberesh but if one has English as a second language it could be problematical. I am not sure a Canadian would understand it, eh.

Besides I really like the country full of convicted cats in concatanation.

How about we give a meaning to ohohteapeterism? "The school of thought promulgated by the nerdiforus (A.K.A. Markusians)......."

Perhaps if this became part of the language via Wikipedia sales could increase? Schools of thought need texts and adherents and martyrs and can be taught as a college course. All of which would get the word out. Maybe some wack job Hollywood folk would come on board as well. OOTP splashed all over Entertainment Tonight might be a good sales tool. I'm just sayin'........

Thinking outside the box is what it is............

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Old 10-08-2009, 03:57 PM   #19
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Ah, I should have guessed that this was just some avenueofmadisonistic ploy aimed at sordid commercial gain!

But think of all those innocent syllables, herded into experimental linguistic cages like so many labratikins! Worse yet, think of their children! It makes me want to

Besides, don't you just hate getting all those little red, dotted lines under half the words you type?? (though, curiously enough, fewer than one might think )
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Old 10-09-2009, 01:37 PM   #20
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Wow! Thanks for the effort, I truly appreciate the enhancement to this addiction we share.

Any chance these dbs will be included in the new patch?
If not, where would I find them and can you provide a step-by-step guide for adding them into the game for those of us who remain crushingly computer illiterate?
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