BZ 3134: Major problem with pitching staffs - Page 3

battists · 06-18-2009, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vopat

After my import from a OOTP 9 game many of my hard throwing pitchers had their pitching MPH decreased. A 28 year old was throwing 101+ now is maxing out at 94 MPH without any injuries.

Bear in mind, in previous versions, the MPH had pretty much zero impact on the pitching results. Now that it's a much bigger factor, numbers had to be adjusted to keep the pitcher at around the same level of skill overall.

kcroyalgm · 06-18-2009, 09:33 PM

And OOTPX has a better radar gun.

HH20xx convert · 06-19-2009, 02:02 PM

A quick scan of the patch release fixes shows this one didn't make the cut for patch #1. I hope we're not looking at hours of manual fixes to get a decent conversion of an OOTP 9 league. That wouldn't be consistent with the great conversions we've had in the past, including 6.5 to 2007/9, when the program changes seemed (to this computer illiterate) far greater. Just because the program is 'working as intended', doesn't mean the conversion is....please give this one a close look. Thanks for reading my comments.

nyy26wc · 06-19-2009, 02:30 PM

And "working as intended" only means it works as designed by the powers that be. It doesn't mean the design works satisfactory to the end-user.

texasmame · 06-19-2009, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by battists

Bear in mind, in previous versions, the MPH had pretty much zero impact on the pitching results.

I thought I had read that the MPH was essentially their strikeout rating - the higher the MPH, the more batters they would K.

texasmame · 06-19-2009, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HH20xx convert

A quick scan of the patch release fixes shows this one didn't make the cut for patch #1.

You are correct - not addressed.

texasmame · 07-01-2009, 02:47 PM

Is it about time to start thinking of issuing refunds to those who can't even use the game due to this unaddressed bug?

clamel · 07-01-2009, 04:02 PM

Have the eager to improve pitching made a mess of this OOTPX ????

The intention is Godsend but obviously many many issues have been messed up what I can hear.

Hopefully the PITCH issue will be No 1 issue for upcoming patches.

Keep up the good patchwork and make us happy.
The game is almost all about pitching , OR

nyy26wc · 07-01-2009, 11:53 PM

As long as they are denying that there is even a problem, I don't expect there will ever be a fix for this.

The only acknowledgement of a problem here is Markus said that the same player that I showed him, Kevin Millwood, had his OVR look wrong. So, that makes me think that is the problem that is being logged.

Other than that, we just get insistence that this is the way it was intended to work.

clamel · 07-02-2009, 02:14 PM

Denying the problem ????

I can´t believe it.
Markus, haven´t you seen the mess the pitching is in according to many. That´s the historical part ....

Pitcher was suppose to get almost correct pitch selections as advertised and this isn´t working in historical leagues obviously.
Several other stuffs concerning the new pitching engine doesn´t seam to work either. Lots of threads around the forum points to this.
This was the heavyweight thing in the new X version, wasn´t it ???

I´m looking forward to see this 90% fixed very soon.

texasmame · 07-02-2009, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyy26wc

As long as they are denying that there is even a problem, I don't expect there will ever be a fix for this.

The only acknowledgement of a problem here is Markus said that the same player that I showed him, Kevin Millwood, had his OVR look wrong. So, that makes me think that is the problem that is being logged.

Other than that, we just get insistence that this is the way it was intended to work.

Well, it is in the logged issues section here. My understanding of this section was that it was saying, "Yeah, this is a problem and it's on the list to be fixed."

That's good, but it's such a MAJOR issue, I really feel it should have been done in one of the first two patches.

nyy26wc · 07-02-2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by texasmame

Well, it is in the logged issues section here. My understanding of this section was that it was saying, "Yeah, this is a problem and it's on the list to be fixed."

The only acknowledgement, by the powers that be, in this thread that there is a problem was this comment by Markus--

"Now regarding Millwood, there seems to be a problem with overall ratings at times. It is being looked into."

I think we need to take him at his word. So, that means the problem that was logged and being looked into is some times there is a problem with OVR.

texasmame · 07-10-2009, 03:16 PM

Fix or refund, guys.

battists · 07-10-2009, 09:43 PM

I'm currently in the middle of conversations about this issue with Markus. I'll let you know if I have anything to add!

clamel · 07-11-2009, 05:40 AM

I found another strange thing.
In old version one could change pitches just by clicking in a new pitch or change.

In OOTPX I tried this with a test run for Mariano Rivera.
In the master.csv I changed to having him throwing a cutter as first pitch and a fastball as second.
It came out as a sinker and a curve.

I tried editing by filling in the same values he got for those sinker,curve to a cutter and fastball in EDITOR.

Saved and looked again. In the first view of Rivera is still is a sinker and a curve, BUT opening the editor I see my new settings cutter and fastball.

What is it then... If one can´t changed a devastating wrong after import I think the problem is more the HUGE.

OOTP9 had pitche selection as a eye candy, but now we must believe it plays into the game. If so one MUST be able to edit whatever pitches a player used in real life.

This must be made known to Markus ASAP, and he only put emphasis on fictional players then he might drop it.
BUT IF NOT, this must be attended to in a patch for this version, not waiting for OOTP11.

battists · 07-11-2009, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clamel

I found another strange thing.
In old version one could change pitches just by clicking in a new pitch or change.

In OOTPX I tried this with a test run for Mariano Rivera.
In the master.csv I changed to having him throwing a cutter as first pitch and a fastball as second.
It came out as a sinker and a curve.

I tried editing by filling in the same values he got for those sinker,curve to a cutter and fastball in EDITOR.

Saved and looked again. In the first view of Rivera is still is a sinker and a curve, BUT opening the editor I see my new settings cutter and fastball.

What is it then... If one can´t changed a devastating wrong after import I think the problem is more the HUGE.

OOTP9 had pitche selection as a eye candy, but now we must believe it plays into the game. If so one MUST be able to edit whatever pitches a player used in real life.

This must be made known to Markus ASAP, and he only put emphasis on fictional players then he might drop it.
BUT IF NOT, this must be attended to in a patch for this version, not waiting for OOTP11.

Clamel, can you please report this in a separate thread? It's very important that we keep separate issues separately so they don't get lost!

clamel · 07-12-2009, 11:02 AM

I put some import-export info and info on this problem in Gambs thread.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...correctly.html

The testresult of import-export rosters and it´s effect on the only way to change pitch selection is especially interresting.

As I see it the database import is very important to work since the possibly changing the selection is very hard to do.

We actually have a double problem with pitch selection and pitches.

texasmame · 07-12-2009, 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by battists

I'm currently in the middle of conversations about this issue with Markus. I'll let you know if I have anything to add!

Thank you.

texasmame · 07-24-2009, 05:40 PM

This is the second most viewed thread in this forum - I'd say this fix is pretty high on the priority list for most folks.

Any update on status?

battists · 07-24-2009, 08:41 PM

Paul mentioned earlier that he has some further enhancements to the Mac licensing process for the next build, but Markus is on vacation right now, so the next patch won't be coming out for at least a little while...

Thanks very much,

Steve

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07-10-2009, 09:43 PM	#54
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07-24-2009, 05:40 PM	#59
texasmame All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Planet Texas Posts: 1,565	This is the second most viewed thread in this forum - I'd say this fix is pretty high on the priority list for most folks. Any update on status? __________________ Stewarding the expansion TAIWAN EXPLOSIVE GO SALMON in the NL West. As the defending NL West Champions, the SALMON fall to the wildcard Dakota Rushmores in the first round in seven games.

06-19-2009, 02:02 PM	#43
HH20xx convert Minors (Triple A) Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 225	A quick scan of the patch release fixes shows this one didn't make the cut for patch #1. I hope we're not looking at hours of manual fixes to get a decent conversion of an OOTP 9 league. That wouldn't be consistent with the great conversions we've had in the past, including 6.5 to 2007/9, when the program changes seemed (to this computer illiterate) far greater. Just because the program is 'working as intended', doesn't mean the conversion is....please give this one a close look. Thanks for reading my comments.

06-19-2009, 02:30 PM	#44
nyy26wc All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 678	And "working as intended" only means it works as designed by the powers that be. It doesn't mean the design works satisfactory to the end-user.

07-01-2009, 04:02 PM	#48
clamel All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Across the Pond Posts: 1,033	Have the eager to improve pitching made a mess of this OOTPX ???? The intention is Godsend but obviously many many issues have been messed up what I can hear. Hopefully the PITCH issue will be No 1 issue for upcoming patches. Keep up the good patchwork and make us happy. The game is almost all about pitching , OR

07-01-2009, 11:53 PM	#49
nyy26wc All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 678	As long as they are denying that there is even a problem, I don't expect there will ever be a fix for this. The only acknowledgement of a problem here is Markus said that the same player that I showed him, Kevin Millwood, had his OVR look wrong. So, that makes me think that is the problem that is being logged. Other than that, we just get insistence that this is the way it was intended to work.

07-02-2009, 02:14 PM	#50
clamel All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Across the Pond Posts: 1,033	Denying the problem ???? I can´t believe it. Markus, haven´t you seen the mess the pitching is in according to many. That´s the historical part .... Pitcher was suppose to get almost correct pitch selections as advertised and this isn´t working in historical leagues obviously. Several other stuffs concerning the new pitching engine doesn´t seam to work either. Lots of threads around the forum points to this. This was the heavyweight thing in the new X version, wasn´t it ??? I´m looking forward to see this 90% fixed very soon.

07-11-2009, 05:40 AM	#55
clamel All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Across the Pond Posts: 1,033	I found another strange thing. In old version one could change pitches just by clicking in a new pitch or change. In OOTPX I tried this with a test run for Mariano Rivera. In the master.csv I changed to having him throwing a cutter as first pitch and a fastball as second. It came out as a sinker and a curve. I tried editing by filling in the same values he got for those sinker,curve to a cutter and fastball in EDITOR. Saved and looked again. In the first view of Rivera is still is a sinker and a curve, BUT opening the editor I see my new settings cutter and fastball. What is it then... If one can´t changed a devastating wrong after import I think the problem is more the HUGE. OOTP9 had pitche selection as a eye candy, but now we must believe it plays into the game. If so one MUST be able to edit whatever pitches a player used in real life. This must be made known to Markus ASAP, and he only put emphasis on fictional players then he might drop it. BUT IF NOT, this must be attended to in a patch for this version, not waiting for OOTP11.

07-12-2009, 11:02 AM	#57
clamel All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Across the Pond Posts: 1,033	I put some import-export info and info on this problem in Gambs thread. http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...correctly.html The testresult of import-export rosters and it´s effect on the only way to change pitch selection is especially interresting. As I see it the database import is very important to work since the possibly changing the selection is very hard to do. We actually have a double problem with pitch selection and pitches.

07-24-2009, 08:41 PM	#60
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506 Blog Entries: 7	Paul mentioned earlier that he has some further enhancements to the Mac licensing process for the next build, but Markus is on vacation right now, so the next patch won't be coming out for at least a little while... Thanks very much, Steve __________________ Come check out my dynasty report, Funky Times!