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Old 03-22-2020, 01:05 PM   #1
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40 Man Rosters Just Wrong

I loaded up my game and was reviewing my Dodgers, and found a problem with the 40 man. In real life the LA 40 man has been completely filled since last fall. In OOTP there are only 28 players on the 40. Guys who spent considerable time in the majors, such as Gonsolin, May, Alexander and Beaty are not on the roster. But Tyler White, who was DFA’d in February, is not only on the 40 but on the opening day 26. I know enough about LA to be able to manually correct their 40, but not enough to check and correct all 30 MLB teams. With all the incredible detail that goes into this great game, I’m really surprised that something as basic and easily correctable as this can be so wrong.
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Old 03-22-2020, 01:25 PM   #2
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This is by design. If the 40-man rosters were filled from the outset, it would result in the AI DFA'ing a bunch of players upon league creation. This has always been the case.
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Old 03-22-2020, 01:43 PM   #3
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Why? Supposed to be accurate opening day. Why is a guy dfa’d a month ago still on the opening day roster?
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Old 03-22-2020, 01:50 PM   #4
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As soon as the roster guys set the rosters, the AI changes it when you load the game up. If they fill the 40 man roster the AI will pick the best players it sees and will DFA a bunch of players. Nothing can be done bc the AI doest see names just numbers. In real life the best 40 players are not the ones on the 40man roster
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Old 03-22-2020, 01:51 PM   #5
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You are also absolutely wrong about it being easily corrected
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Old 03-22-2020, 01:58 PM   #6
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So the 40 man rosters are never accurate? Seems counterintuitive for a game that stresses an accurate experience. And why are guys that have been dfa’d still on the roster?
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Old 03-22-2020, 03:04 PM   #7
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So the 40 man rosters are never accurate? Seems counterintuitive for a game that stresses an accurate experience. And why are guys that have been dfa’d still on the roster?
Because creating a perfect AI is super hard.

You and I might disagree on who should be on the 40 man

Imagine trying to make an AI that agrees with Andrew Friedman
And another to agree with Farhan Zaidi
And one to agree with Brian Cashman
And,..
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Old 03-22-2020, 03:14 PM   #8
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How many times is the same thing going to be written?

This is nothing new, if it's a huge deal fix it yourself
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Old 03-22-2020, 03:16 PM   #9
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Here is an explanation of why this happens.It's been this way for years, nothing new.

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...5&postcount=43

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Old 03-22-2020, 03:21 PM   #10
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If you want a roster with accurate 40-man rosters here you go

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1D-...tlz1ekBIMKHvYl

All teams are set to human control. No telling what may happen when you turn it off.
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Old 03-22-2020, 03:24 PM   #11
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So the 40 man rosters are never accurate? Seems counterintuitive for a game that stresses an accurate experience. And why are guys that have been dfa’d still on the roster?



Mine are mostly 98% correct or more like I understand why they not complete & do it myself
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Old 03-22-2020, 07:42 PM   #12
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I really don’t want to beat this to death, but why would changing the status of guys from eligible for the Rule 5 draft to on the secondary roster cause the ai to dfa’d anyone? I went in and added the missing 12 guys to the 40 and guess what ? The ai couldn’t have cared less. Not a single guy was dfa’d.
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Old 03-22-2020, 07:54 PM   #13
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I really don’t want to beat this to death, but why would changing the status of guys from eligible for the Rule 5 draft to on the secondary roster cause the ai to dfa’d anyone? I went in and added the missing 12 guys to the 40 and guess what ? The ai couldn’t have cared less. Not a single guy was dfa’d.


But were you controlling the Dodgers?


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Old 03-22-2020, 08:46 PM   #14
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Let's try and clarify this for you Dodgers1
I'm a Cardinals fan, so I almost always play with them. If the roster team matched up the 40 man rosters correctly... When I start up a game as my Cardinals, the other 29 teams will DFA somehwhere between 3 to 10 players each. This is because the AI will disagree with actual baseball Gms. This is bc the games AI isn't going to worry about service time manipulation and things like that which a real Gm does worry about
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Old 03-22-2020, 08:51 PM   #15
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How many times is the same thing going to be written?

This is nothing new, if it's a huge deal fix it yourself
Is that the player's job?
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Old 03-23-2020, 02:48 AM   #16
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Is that the player's job?
Actually yes. Bc the AI and real life MLB Gm will basically never look at 40man roster construction the same way
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Old 03-23-2020, 03:59 AM   #17
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Actually yes. Bc the AI and real life MLB Gm will basically never look at 40man roster construction the same way
This isnt rocket science people.
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Old 03-30-2020, 08:14 PM   #18
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Is that the player's job?
The game is the way it is

If you want it a different way, then, yes, you have to change it
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Old 03-30-2020, 08:33 PM   #19
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I think the best way to understand this is...


You can't have an AI and 30 correct 40 man rosters at the same time.


You would need 30 AI's, each specifically designed to mimic the 30 GMs that actually make these decisions.


As someone above said, if you remove the AI entirely, then your faced with having to control all 30 teams or find 29 other players to act as the real GM for the team in question.
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Old 03-30-2020, 11:29 PM   #20
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Am I missing something here? The rosters are remarkably accurate to start the game off in terms of what players are with which organizations. In terms of who's on the active and 40-man rosters, once you begin a sim, it deviates from real life and the AI does what it does. What else is the expectation here??
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