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04-22-2013, 11:50 PM | #1 |
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Player Popularity distribution
Can anyone give a rough estimate of what percentage of players in a standard MLB-level league typically turn out to be extremely popular, very popular, popular, well known?
I ask because player popularity is all out of whack in my new historical league and I want to make some edits to get things in order a little better. I understand there's not likely to be some set in stone numbers (if there are, probably only the developers know); I just want to get an idea of what kind of distribution you might see in a mature fictional league or maybe even the current MLB roster set. |
04-23-2013, 12:52 AM | #2 |
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I am not sure how you would base that. Your guys that are on the club for a long period of time and are generally good people or colourful ones would be the most popular. Or by simply just by being amazing at the game.
Either way, it is such a team by team thing that it would be hard to say unless others know more than I about it |
06-01-2013, 01:31 AM | #3 | |
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I finally got around to loading the 2013 MLB quickstart to check the popularity distribution and am posting the numbers in case anybody searches for this info in the future. 1260 total MLB players National Popularity 15 - Extremely popular (~1%) 30 - Very popular (~2.5%) 30 - Popular (~2.5%) 60 - Well known (~5%) 85 - Fair (~7%) 150 - Insignificant (~12%) 895 - Unknown (~70%) (Local Popularity distribution was roughly the same) |
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06-01-2013, 06:57 AM | #4 |
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When you say it's "out of whack" - what do you mean?
And what numbers are you basing this off? Is there some real world data somewhere that you're comparing it to? I've never heard of distribution % being kept in pro sports for how many of each type fan there was. How would you measure it, poll every single fan? Last edited by Bluenoser; 06-01-2013 at 08:04 AM. |
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06-01-2013, 09:15 AM | #7 | |
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Rather, when you create a league with OOTP, it generates roughly x percentage of players as extremely popular, y percentage as very popular, z percentage as popular, etc. You can see this if you create some test fictional leagues. You'll never get 50 percent of players as extremely popular or whatever; it's based on some kind of a distribution. I simply wanted to get an idea of this OOTP-generated distribution so that I could compare it against my historical league, for my own personal purposes. That's all. |
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06-01-2013, 09:30 AM | #8 | |
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Out of whack compared to what? If there's no real life data to support the percentages, then you have nothing to base it on. OOTP would most likely generate them randomly, since it has no real world data to base it on either. If you have 9 Stud All-Stars on your team, should they all be "extremely popular"? If you have 9 duds, should they all be unpopular? A league with a lot of talent is likely to have more "extremely popular" players than a league with fewer studs and more even distribution. It will constantly change. Doesn't matter what is being read into it, you need something to base this on, you can't just say distribution should be x, y, and z. Last edited by Bluenoser; 06-01-2013 at 09:31 AM. |
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06-01-2013, 09:42 AM | #9 |
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I think he means that his league is "our of whack" with all other OOTP leagues that he has played. He doesn't seem to be questioning whether the data is realistic or not, but what the normal distribution is in a typical OOTP league.
I'm not sure the quickstart is the best place to figure that out, however. I don't know if the popularity info is entered manually or distributed by the game. |
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If I have a league with 6 teams, 150 players, and 25 of them are studs, do I have 25 extremely popular players? If I have a league with 6 teams, 150 players, and 17 of them are studs, do I have 17 extremely popular players? If I only have a small handful of studs, but a lot of players who are hard workers with good attitudes and do stuff in the community and with the fans, are they all extremely popular? After you've answered #1 and #2, then tell me which of those two totals, 17 or 25, is normal. Distribution will and should always vary. |
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06-01-2013, 10:29 AM | #11 |
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Popularity is not in a 1 to 1 correlation with ability......
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06-01-2013, 10:40 AM | #12 |
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In my 24 team fictional league, in the inaugural draft there were 10 Ex. Pop, 16 V. Pop., 34 Pop., 49 Well Kn., 51 Fair, 63 Insig., rest unknown......
In the Inaugural draft, all players had the same rating for National and Local Popularity...... |
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I'm aware of that and never said it was 1-1.
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The game obviously doesn't know these are real players. It generates the popularity tags based mainly on ratings, not randomly. It does a rather good job of it, but for example if a superstar happened to have a bad or injured season the year the historical league was created and a fringe player had a great fluke season, the game quite reasonably might tag the superstar as insignificant and the fringe player as extremely popular. That bugs me and will bug me each and every time I look at those two players. As a historical simmer, I like to "fix" these things. However, I can't just start changing things willy-nilly. I don't want an *unreasonably* high/low number of "popular" players, because it impacts attendance, financials, player movement, etc. What is a reasonable or unreasonable number? I have no clue. It's a question that can't be answered. But for my purposes, roughly reflecting the distribution you see in a newly created fictional game or the MLB quickstart is as good as anything. If the game in a new league generally labels 1 percent of players extremely popular and 2.5 percent very popular, etc., or whatever, then I'm comfortable keeping my edits roughly in line with those numbers. Then things take off and popularity is all determined by what happens in the game. |
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10 Ex. Pop (1% = 7) 16 V. Pop. (2.5% = 18) 34 Pop. (3% = 22) 49 Well Kn. (5% = 36) 51 Fair (7% = 51) 63 Insig. (12% = 87) rest unknown 223 players insig. or above (yours) 221 players insig. or above (posted percentages) Not exact obviously and every league will be different, but roughly in the same ballpark. |
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