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slugga27 · 04-04-2018, 07:32 PM

I'll just let this speak for itself...

BoomerSoonerAMH · 04-04-2018, 11:40 PM

Nothing is jumping off the page to me other than maybe Toronto's use of 1 pitcher per batter until Osuna came into the game. If that is it, I suspect the Toronto bullpen was exhausted coming into the game. I don't see anything from a statistical standpoint that screams something is wrong.

slugga27 · 04-05-2018, 10:10 AM

The score was 10-2 when Happ left.

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David Watts · 04-05-2018, 10:13 AM

Ugh, I'm still not seeing what the issue is.

Lukas Berger · 04-05-2018, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

Ugh, I'm still not seeing what the issue is.

We probably shouldn't use that many relievers for a batter each in a blowout.

But as Boomer mentioned, I'd guess this is related to the rest status of the bullpen and makes sense if no one was really rested enough to go a couple innings.

If not though, we might need to take a look at the ai and make a tweak or two.

David Watts · 04-05-2018, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

We probably shouldn't use that many relievers for a batter each in a blowout.

But as Boomer mentioned, I'd guess this is related to the rest status of the bullpen and makes sense if no one was really rested enough to go a couple innings.

If not though, we might need to take a look at the ai and make a tweak or two.

Knew it was right in front of my eyes. I've never been accused of being the brightest crayon in the birthday cake.

Lukas Berger · 04-05-2018, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

Knew it was right in front of my eyes. I've never been accused of being the brightest crayon in the birthday cake.

I couldn't see it either until it was explained

slugga27 · 04-05-2018, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

I couldn't see it either until it was explained

Sorry about that. Since rest status has been mentioned, and I haven’t advanced past this game yet, I’ll take a look tonight and report back.

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Gerry58 · 04-05-2018, 11:01 AM

I have seen this happen too and if i may guess, this has nothing to do with the rest status (at least, not in my case)

slugga27 · 04-05-2018, 05:04 PM

Bullpen overuse as a whole may need to be looked at, because looking at the rest status of these pitchers opened up a can of worms. 5 of the 7 relievers used in this instance had pitched six days in a row. The other two? Well, they were well-rested by comparison...only pitching in five of the past six days. Not sure if this is relevant, but i'll mention it anyways...This Toronto team is 18-23 on the season.

Also of note, Axford had an outing of 62 pitches three days prior. Oh had an outing of 64 pitches four days prior...

BoomerSoonerAMH · 04-05-2018, 08:18 PM

I think the issue just compounds itself once the bullpen gets to a state of exhaustion across the board. This pattern just repeats and the pitchers never recover. Even an off day is not enough to get them out of the loop. I’ve never seen the AI call up another reliever to help put out the fire.

slugga27 · 04-05-2018, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BoomerSoonerAMH

I think the issue just compounds itself once the bullpen gets to a state of exhaustion across the board. This pattern just repeats and the pitchers never recover. Even an off day is not enough to get them out of the loop. I’ve never seen the AI call up another reliever to help put out the fire.

I suppose I could reset fatigue for all players, but that would be a band-aid solution because it doesn’t stop it from happening again.

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BusterKing · 04-06-2018, 09:35 AM

If Gibbons is the manager it explains everything, believe me.

Bill Veeck · 04-06-2018, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BusterKing

If Gibbons is the manager it explains everything, believe me.

Very funny!

highandoutside · 04-06-2018, 02:13 PM

In my leagues, I've always allowed the AI teams to carry a couple additional players (I think 28 in my current fictional league) for this very reason. It gives them a couple addition relievers so they don't fall into a death spiral when their bullpens get blown out.

slugga27 · 04-13-2018, 06:24 AM

Is this being looked into at all? I wanted to believe that it may be a manager issue, but I just faced the Rockies in a separate game and had a similar situation. The key here is that a righty is being replaced by a righty after one batter, so it’s not so much the manager playing sabermetrics.

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actionjackson · 04-13-2018, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BusterKing

If Gibbons is the manager it explains everything, believe me.

Except that one thing he does well is manage a bullpen.

EDIT: Except for his mysterious affection for Aaron Loup. That one is baffling. But he doesn't micromanage things and constantly change pitchers within an inning.

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slugga27 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,255	Bullpen overuse as a whole may need to be looked at, because looking at the rest status of these pitchers opened up a can of worms. 5 of the 7 relievers used in this instance had pitched six days in a row. The other two? Well, they were well-rested by comparison...only pitching in five of the past six days. Not sure if this is relevant, but i'll mention it anyways...This Toronto team is 18-23 on the season. Also of note, Axford had an outing of 62 pitches three days prior. Oh had an outing of 64 pitches four days prior... Last edited by slugga27; 04-05-2018 at 05:05 PM.

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BoomerSoonerAMH Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 111	Nothing is jumping off the page to me other than maybe Toronto's use of 1 pitcher per batter until Osuna came into the game. If that is it, I suspect the Toronto bullpen was exhausted coming into the game. I don't see anything from a statistical standpoint that screams something is wrong.

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slugga27 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,255	The score was 10-2 when Happ left. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 8,881	Ugh, I'm still not seeing what the issue is.

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Gerry58 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 214	I have seen this happen too and if i may guess, this has nothing to do with the rest status (at least, not in my case)

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BoomerSoonerAMH Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 111	I think the issue just compounds itself once the bullpen gets to a state of exhaustion across the board. This pattern just repeats and the pitchers never recover. Even an off day is not enough to get them out of the loop. I’ve never seen the AI call up another reliever to help put out the fire.

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BusterKing Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,370	If Gibbons is the manager it explains everything, believe me.

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highandoutside All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 632	In my leagues, I've always allowed the AI teams to carry a couple additional players (I think 28 in my current fictional league) for this very reason. It gives them a couple addition relievers so they don't fall into a death spiral when their bullpens get blown out.

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slugga27 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,255	Is this being looked into at all? I wanted to believe that it may be a manager issue, but I just faced the Rockies in a separate game and had a similar situation. The key here is that a righty is being replaced by a righty after one batter, so it’s not so much the manager playing sabermetrics. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk