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Note that in my signature I am expressing my wish for Markus to add the ability buy and sell players. I'm sure that this will appear in some future version, maybe next year, maybe in OOTP 18 or so. In the meantime I will keep supporting the series.
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I continue to marvel at how he gets this done. Anybody complaining about the additional people at OOTPD now? To me it seems clear that Markus has had some time to make significant changes in some core features. Brilliant!!
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I'm delighted to know for certain that Markus reads Baseball Prospectus. There's tons of useful, applicable stuff to be found there. It makes me really hopeful about future versions of OOTP.
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I know Markus and co. listen though and does his best to get us the best game possiable and I will keep supporting him until I feel that changes. (Which I highly doubt will happen.)
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I've been a subscriber at BP for 8 years now
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Only eight years?
Rookie.
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Actually, Markus, that information is very pleasing. Future versions will surely keep getting better and will be more refined.
As usual, good job.
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That comment came in response to the concern expressed, not before it.
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Hah! This means that you have access to all the data you need to properly value players in differing financial, league, and team environments (including seasonal win expectation effects) so I will be awaiting the ability to buy and sell players expectantly.
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Somebody might even ask our own very gehrig38 (aka Curt Schilling) about this issue. I'll bet that he has a strong opinion on the matter.
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a catcher should have an influence.
It was the catcher, Jake Taylor who turned Rick Vaughn onto the need to wear glasses and Crash Davis was there to calm Nuke LaLoosh down so glad to see that will be reflected in OOTP |
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I agree that a framing effect is real, I just think the concern, as expressed before, is making sure that its impact is at an appropriate scale.
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I'd venture a guess and assume "bad" catchers aren't great at framing. I'll take Molina over Josh Thole any day of the week even if Molina bats .230 |
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Correct, but other defensive qualities of a "good catcher" have already been captured within OOTP's catcher rating. The question specifically being asked here is what is the added marginal benefit of framing skill.
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True, Molina is also great at throwing out potential base stealers and that has been factored in already. You're right though, it's a delicate balance of making it a subtle team improvement without catchers becoming demi-gods within the game.
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I'm still trying to figure out what all the post-announcement bickering is about. Markus uses rigorous studies to implement a new feature that reflects something missing and needed in the game, he specifically addressed any concerns about extreme effects, and yet people continue to second-guess him?
Nothing more to see here, guys. Move along.
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Forgive us if we reserve a bit of skepticism and have some reservations before wholeheartedly embracing this. I'll always go back to Bill James' statement that any stat that is consistently surprising is probably wrong. I'm not saying this effect is wrong, but some of the results are fairly surprising, or at least very different from the assumptions we'd made a year or two ago. Plus, I want to be able to turn this off in my league that features robot umps who are unaffected by framing!
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