Perfect Team update + feedback needed

[rjl518]

i did hit 2010 for the vote.
i believe that an all-around average makes sense since 2018 is doing the year of the pitcher.

[timmermac]

I think I would prefer 1980-1989. Steals, plenty of homers, defense still mattered.

[el_gringo]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Thanks for the feedback so far guys! Really a split decision here, interesting.

PT leagues will indeed run for many seasons (sim time), and we will have promotion / demotion between different (5) levels. And they will continue to run for more than one (real) year, so I expect people to still be able to play their OOTP 19 Perfect Team leagues even when OOTP 21 is already out. PT leagues / teams do not carry over from version to version, each year we will start fresh so new users have a better chance to compete.

Thank you for the extra detail on how that will work, sounds like a good setup.

Given the multi-season nature of the leagues I'd love to see some fluctuation season-to-season as they run, so that the meta changes consistently. I think this will help keep the community healthy and engaged, and it will give players who stand out in varied statistical environments all the more bragging rights.

Not rolling cards over is very interesting, and I am of several minds about it. It creates an interesting set of incentives and disincentives for players. I think you are correct to call out the importance of allowing a level playing field for new players, and that's probably the most important factor. There are various potential side-effects as well (good, bad, and unclear). Established players might have less incentive to upgrade to a new version of OOTP if they've built a substantial collection in one particular version; established players might grow frustrated having to re-build their collection each year, particularly if they spent a lot of money on it (this dissuades people from becoming whales unless they're willing to stick to one specific version, which is probably good for the health of the competitive environment); as the player-base for each outdated version dwindles to the remaining devotees of each specific year, that version will become more boring (fewer players, all with the best cards, etc.) and might turn somewhat toxic, potentially rendering past collections effectively unplayable and worthless - even if people are happy to stick with the year they build their collection in, they might not have a realistically enjoyable way to do so; etc.

It's an interesting call, and not one I expected; I think it's a good decision, though the inability to build a meaningfully enduring and usable collection might be a barrier for some portion of the potential audience.

Excited to learn more!

[sc_superstar]

Could the idea of multi format be something that is explored. In some CCG's there is a roll-over format where you can choose to either play others who have all cards unlocked from previous versions or you can choose to play only with the current cards.

So for example

We start in OOTP 19 and go to OOTP 21

During the PT timeframe the "standard" mode of play would only be those cards released during 21

However for long time or hardcore collectors we can choose to play matched up against others who would be able to use any players from 19-21.

This reduces frustrations of those who spent time collecting so its not wiped out but creates a level playing field for those new to the game/mode

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by sc_superstar

Could the idea of multi format be something that is explored. In some CCG's there is a roll-over format where you can choose to either play others who have all cards unlocked from previous versions or you can choose to play only with the current cards.

So for example

We start in OOTP 19 and go to OOTP 21

During the PT timeframe the "standard" mode of play would only be those cards released during 21

However for long time or hardcore collectors we can choose to play matched up against others who would be able to use any players from 19-21.

This reduces frustrations of those who spent time collecting so its not wiped out but creates a level playing field for those new to the game/mode

That might be possible, but there may be technical issues here. We'll see.... PT is something that will evolve over the next few years and gain more and more modes & possibilities, what exactly is still unknown even to us

[el_gringo]

Originally Posted by sc_superstar

Could the idea of multi format be something that is explored. In some CCG's there is a roll-over format where you can choose to either play others who have all cards unlocked from previous versions or you can choose to play only with the current cards.

So for example

We start in OOTP 19 and go to OOTP 21

During the PT timeframe the "standard" mode of play would only be those cards released during 21

However for long time or hardcore collectors we can choose to play matched up against others who would be able to use any players from 19-21.

This reduces frustrations of those who spent time collecting so its not wiped out but creates a level playing field for those new to the game/mode

Good call!

A decent example of this is Hearthstone's competitive setup, with both 'Standard' (just the most recent sets) and 'Wild' (all cards from all sets) modes. To be clear: HS has plenty of problems, and I don't advocate mirroring it too closely in most respects. However, the way they break out the player base into these two modes has seemed to be effective at both allowing new players a relatively level playing field in the 'main' meta AND keeping longtime players engaged and able to use their full collection.

They didn't introduce 'Wild' until the game had been around for several years, and PT wouldn't need this feature for at least a year or two. Eventually, adding in a 'Legacy Mode' or something similar might prove to be a good move for the long-term health of the competitive community (if there aren't insurmountable technical or other barriers, of course).

[dkgo]

seems a lot more like fifa ultimate team than a CCG...resetting each year makes sense imo. most of the fun for me was in building up my team anyway

[Markus Heinsohn]

OK folks, this was a close call... seems like 42% want 2018, and 55% want 2010 or something even more old-school. So I'd say let's meet in the middle, 2010 it is.

Thanks everyone for your feedback!

And by the way, for OOTP 20 we plan to introduce tournaments which you can enter with your Perfect Team, and those tournaments will play in different era's with different rule sets. So, there will be something nice for everybody.

[tcblcommish]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

OK folks, this was a close call... seems like 42% want 2018, and 55% want 2010 or something even more old-school. So I'd say let's meet in the middle, 2010 it is.

Thanks everyone for your feedback!

And by the way, for OOTP 20 we plan to introduce tournaments which you can enter with your Perfect Team, and those tournaments will play in different era's with different rule sets. So, there will be something nice for everybody.

That is an awesome idea!

[statfreak]

So, I have been playing OOTP mostly for the online experience since OOTP 6.5. I have tried a solo league here and there, but never really stick with them.

While I expect I will continue to play in traditional online leagues, Perfect Team is intriguing and something I am anxious to try. I hope all players are represented though. I am assuming there will be 7 Dave Van Gorders for every Johnny Bench. Hopefully that is how it works. Really wouldn't be interested if every team was just an all-star team.

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by statfreak

So, I have been playing OOTP mostly for the online experience since OOTP 6.5. I have tried a solo league here and there, but never really stick with them.

While I expect I will continue to play in traditional online leagues, Perfect Team is intriguing and something I am anxious to try. I hope all players are represented though. I am assuming there will be 7 Dave Van Gorders for every Johnny Bench. Hopefully that is how it works. Really wouldn't be interested if every team was just an all-star team.

We have about 2000 players cards, about 800 current MLB cards, 1100 historical cards (in various categories and sometimes multiple for the legendary players... historical cards are twice as rare as current MLB cards in the packs) and 100 other special cards. And throughout the season we will be adding more cards so that there is a steady stream of new content that can be discovered in the packs.

[Airdrop01]

Blue Jays struck out 20 times last night. And won. Please don’t do 2018.

[Westheim]

Originally Posted by Westheim

2010; modern, but without the insanity. Honestly, why are teams putting up defenses at all anymore...

Originally Posted by Airdrop01

Blue Jays struck out 20 times last night. And won. Please don’t do 2018.

Yeah, what the guy with the raccoon kit avatar said. Dinger or die. Defense optional.

Not entirely unrelated, honestly, every time I see Kyle Schwarber (there are more, but he's the worst on my radar... just the worst...) wobble around the outfield I shake my head and state to nobody in particular how he could hit 50 homers and I still wouldn't put him on my Raccoons...

[Bagpipes5]

Perfect Team should mimic stats from the first year of the game's release - 1999.

[tcblcommish]

Originally Posted by Bagpipes5

Perfect Team should mimic stats from the first year of the game's release - 1999.

I think that is a fantastic idea!

[Hkim]

Originally Posted by Bagpipes5

Perfect Team should mimic stats from the first year of the game's release - 1999.

Heh, for some reason, that made me think of Perfect Team mimicking the stats from the first year of baseball's release.

Not sure where I'd put it, but probably 1846. I'm sure the numbers back then weren't that different from the numbers now.

[Westheim]

Originally Posted by Hkim

Not sure where I'd put it, but probably 1846. I'm sure the numbers back then weren't that different from the numbers now.

You'd be surprised...

[pgjocki]

Originally Posted by Westheim

Yeah, what the guy with the raccoon kit avatar said. Dinger or die. Defense optional.

Not entirely unrelated, honestly, every time I see Kyle Schwarber (there are more, but he's the worst on my radar... just the worst...) wobble around the outfield I shake my head and state to nobody in particular how he could hit 50 homers and I still wouldn't put him on my Raccoons...

According to Billy Beane the only stat that matters is OPS. So he would run that guy out everyday.

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[Westheim]

Originally Posted by pgjocki

According to Billy Beane the only stat that matters is OPS. So he would run that guy out everyday.

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I like OPS, but I like defense just as much, because it makes the other team's OPS go down.

...he said while being in the 50th season of bemoaning his team never getting a hit when it counts...

[kq76]

Every once in a while someone will start a thread here asking what is the year people most like to replay and usually the one that gets mentioned a lot, if not the most (and it's also mentioned by a number of people above), is...

1985:

-it was the year of the KCR-STL WS and I love how both played, well, most of the league really with all the hits and stolen bases (in comparison, today's game is unbearable to watch at times).
-it was the year before the great rookie class of 86 including Jackson, Canseco, Bonds, Clark, Mitchell, Joyner, Tartabull, Sierra, Larkin, etc
-it was the first year the Jays had the most wins in the league, almost going to the WS
-it was around the time I first started to fall in love with baseball
-a lot of milestones were met [https://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/gre...l/season.html]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_Ma...aseball_season