Is this for real?

[Dyzalot]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

By your logic, where’s the Budweiser, Marlboro, and pornhub ads? Bring them all on lol.

As far as targeted advertising goes, I'm guessing that it makes more sense for a company like Draft Kings to advertise here than it does for a company like Budweiser.

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

I'm not a professional gambler any more than a day trader is a professional gambler. Every decision you make in life is a gamble. You are gambling that it is the best decision you could make. I believe that government has no right getting in the way of voluntary transactions between consenting adults.

wow. that's deep...

You obviously have a vested interest in this so there's really no point in arguing. You're going to continue to deflect facts and repeat your "consenting adults" line. BTW, get off that already, you sound like you're talking about sex.

You're also mischaracterizing the whole issue. There is nothing inherently wrong about gambling. This is about the business practices of draft kings, fan dual, and the like. The games portray themselves as being a fun way to compete for cash, that everyone has an equal chance. But the game is unfairly tilted towards the elite players with the simulation software and the companies do nothing about it.

It's like if you bought a lottery ticket with the expectation that everyone has an equal shot at the jackpot, but in reality there's a 1% subset of players that take 90% of the winnings because they have an unfair advantage via software.

The causal fan doesn't know all this. They would not "consent" if they had the facts. OOTP partnering up with a company like that is very distasteful.

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

As far as targeted advertising goes, I'm guessing that it makes more sense for a company like Draft Kings to advertise here than it does for a company like Budweiser.

Oh really!? What's the core demographic of OOTP? Drinking age males that love baseball, lol! That is exactly who Budweiser would target.

This is about who the company partners up with, not about the target audience.

[Dyzalot]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

wow. that's deep...

You obviously have a vested interest in this so there's really no point in arguing. You're going to continue to deflect facts and repeat your "consenting adults" line. BTW, get off that already, you sound like you're talking about sex.

You're also mischaracterizing the whole issue. There is nothing inherently wrong about gambling. This is about the business practices of draft kings, fan dual, and the like. The games portray themselves as being a fun way to compete for cash, that everyone has an equal chance. But the game is unfairly tilted towards the elite players with the simulation software and the companies do nothing about it.

It's like if you bought a lottery ticket with the expectation that everyone has an equal shot at the jackpot, but in reality there's a 1% subset of players that take 90% of the winnings because they have an unfair advantage via software.

The causal fan doesn't know all this. They would not "consent" if they had the facts. OOTP partnering up with a company like that is very distasteful.

This "simulation software" is available to anyone that wants it. There is also tracking software we use in online poker that gives an advantage over people not using it. That doesn't make it unfair though since that software is available to anyone. It is like claiming that one bowler in a tournament had an "unfair advantage" over another because he got coaching and the other one didn't.

[Bunktown Ballers]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

By your logic, where’s the Budweiser, Marlboro, and pornhub ads? Bring them all on lol.

The price isn’t going to go up because people complained about ads. That’s ridiculous. The price will always be the most it can be in order to turn the most profit. Same concept for setting ticket prices in the game. Set them too high, people stop paying. Ads have nothing to do with this lol. And btw, they should increase the price, dammit it’s a great game

so by your logic, a independant company such as OOTP has no business trying to increase it's cash flow to possibly keep cost of product down because why? Because you & a few others don't like it? What has happened to free enterprise? I see this kind of stuff acting out now it real life bc of a certain person being in charge of America. For people to hold a company hostage bc they don't like a ad they run is asinine. Don't say NOBODY holding anybody hostage because there a clear threats to not buy any products from this company anymore. That's called STRONGARMING. My Lord it's so ridiculous for people to take the threats so far over a ad. Socialism has never worked at any time in history, check the history books. I haven't seen the ad in days so obviously y'all forced OOTP to remove them with threats. Way To Go

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by Bunktown Ballers

so by your logic, a independant company such as OOTP has no business trying to increase it's cash flow to possibly keep cost of product down because why? Because you & a few others don't like it? What has happened to free enterprise? I see this kind of stuff acting out now it real life bc of a certain person being in charge of America. For people to hold a company hostage bc they don't like a ad they run is asinine. Don't say NOBODY holding anybody hostage because there a clear threats to not buy any products from this company anymore. That's called STRONGARMING. My Lord it's so ridiculous for people to take the threats so far over a ad. Socialism has never worked at any time in history, check the history books. I haven't seen the ad in days so obviously y'all forced OOTP to remove them with threats. Way To Go

Really you think this is about socialism and Trump? Give me a break, lol.

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

This "simulation software" is available to anyone that wants it. There is also tracking software we use in online poker that gives an advantage over people not using it. That doesn't make it unfair though since that software is available to anyone. It is like claiming that one bowler in a tournament had an "unfair advantage" over another because he got coaching and the other one didn't.

Just because its “available” doesn’t make it fair. How many people know about it? How many would even know how to use it? It’s unfair and unethical no matter how you spin it.

Your bowling anology doesn’t apply. A bowler with no coaching is going to obviously know that other people have it available to them. There’s also no idea that there’s an equal chance they can win thousands of dollars

[Bunktown Ballers]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

Really you think this is about socialism and Trump? Give me a break, lol.

Sure not about you being concerned for others about how DraftKings or others might have players at a disadvantage. People know that but they still shove money to them. Is that what happened to you.

yeah it is about socialist minds & a repbulican sitting in White House. It's played out in real life everyday 24-7, 365. Stomping feet & whining. It's nauseating. How do I block you? Can I?

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by Bunktown Ballers

Sure not about you being concerned for others about how DraftKings or others might have players at a disadvantage. People know that but they still shove money to them. Is that what happened to you.

yeah it is about socialist minds & a repbulican sitting in White House. It's played out in real life everyday 24-7, 365. Stomping feet & whining. It's nauseating. How do I block you? Can I?

People don’t know that and no it hasn’t happened to me because I do my research. I never said ban draft kings. But they shouldn’t be endorsed. It’s literally leading them to a company that will take advantage.

You’ve also lost all credibility blaming trump and Obama for this lol. No you can’t block me but you could, you know... ignore it...

[Gerry58]

I didn't even notice the ads (and didn't even know who Draft Kings are) before reading this post (and who knows how many other people like me). So you are basically making free advertising for a company you think should not be advertised for.

[Qeltar]

Originally Posted by Bunktown Ballers

so by your logic, a independant company such as OOTP has no business trying to increase it's cash flow to possibly keep cost of product down because why? Because you & a few others don't like it? What has happened to free enterprise?
...
For people to hold a company hostage bc they don't like a ad they run is asinine.

Is there some reason why you feel a company must be allowed to have the freedom to make choices they value (like making partnerships with other companies) but paying customers should not have the freedom to make choices they value (like not supporting companies that make partnerships they don't approve of)?

I don't really see how you can have one without the other.

[Dyzalot]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

Just because its “available” doesn’t make it fair. How many people know about it? How many would even know how to use it? It’s unfair and unethical no matter how you spin it.

Your bowling anology doesn’t apply. A bowler with no coaching is going to obviously know that other people have it available to them. There’s also no idea that there’s an equal chance they can win thousands of dollars

I've never seen a Draft Kings ad say that anyone had "an equal chance". When I play poker at a casino I know that some of the players don't know the odds near as well as I do. Does that make it "unfair"? Is it "unfair" that state governments advertise lotteries as a way to get rich? Is it "unfair" that a casino knows the odds better than the average gambler? Ignorance is no excuse especially when your ignorance is easily cured these days with a bit of online research. People ignorant of these things in this day and age have chosen to be ignorant.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

NOPE, STILL SEE IT. LOUD AS EVER...

I suggest recalling the lyrics of the song from The Simpsons: "Just don't look. Just don't look."

[texasmame]

Yeah, that ad was a bit too obtrusive for my lik. . . .

[TheMaus2]

Originally Posted by texasmame

Yeah, that ad was a bit too obtrusive for my lik. . . .

same

[wallewalls]

some of you people are way too much.

if you are gonna boycott every single company that does business with draft kings, well you might as well boycott MLB then, because they are investors of theirs, so yeah

[cavebutter]

For whatever reason, I am not seeing any banners or popups when I visit this site on any device. I am happy about that.

Maybe some clarity is in order- I think that most of the people who are objecting to these ads are objecting to the advertiser.

No one is objecting to the selling of advertising space on the forum. They are objecting to the content.

This is totally reasonable.

[dmacgreg37]

Some peoples' lives must be far too easy if they find such small stuff to whine about.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by cavebutter

For whatever reason, I am not seeing any banners or popups when I visit this site on any device. I am happy about that.

Maybe some clarity is in order- I think that most of the people who are objecting to these ads are objecting to the advertiser.

No one is objecting to the selling of advertising space on the forum. They are objecting to the content.

This is totally reasonable.

Do they boycott or threaten to boycott multinationals and every other game seller who might take sketchy ads? I'm not convinced of the purity of motive here.

[Spritze]

The ad looks totally reasonable from my vantage point sitting on a beach in Maui spending my winnings.

[mitchkenn]

Originally Posted by cavebutter

For whatever reason, I am not seeing any banners or popups when I visit this site on any device. I am happy about that.

some days the ad is visible when i arrive on the boards, other times it's not (like now). At least it's not as offensive as the first day, when it took up the whole screen. And while i personally don't like draft kings idea, it's not my place to decide from whom OOTP should get their revenue. if it bothers me, i don't need to use that particular product. it's no different than the ads i see on TV that i dislike or find distasteful.