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05-27-2013, 07:40 PM | #21 |
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It can be done to anyone.....Trust me on this...
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05-27-2013, 11:04 PM | #22 |
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The main variable is how many years the player will accept. I've had some players who absolutely will NOT accept more than a 4-year extension just before their first arb hearing. 3 arb years and 1 FA year isn't nothing, but still, it's frustrating when you're trying to get 8 years and can only get 4.
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05-27-2013, 11:33 PM | #23 | |
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Ugggh I'm confused... or maybe it just doesn't work for me. |
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05-27-2013, 11:35 PM | #24 |
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I apply number 3 all the time and 95% of the time it works beautifully
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05-27-2013, 11:48 PM | #25 |
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05-28-2013, 12:41 AM | #26 |
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i guess i should have used or, he will accept or he will counter...ect rest of post
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05-28-2013, 02:09 AM | #27 | |
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With star players, it will likely take a larger amount over the arbitration value to get them to commit to longer than one year. With Jason Heyward, he refused to sign a 5-year deal with me, but we settled on a 4-year deal worth $7 million per season. His arbitration estimate was $6 million. Not totally what I wanted, but it's still budget friendly and will buy out all his arb years plus a year of free agency |
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05-28-2013, 10:26 AM | #28 |
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while negotiating with a player especially if they want long term I always start with offering 1 million more than what their contract says for 2 years then bump it up another million for another 2 years so on and so forth. Players seem to dig that especially if you suggest an extra year on contract. However I always add 2 team option years with $300,000 buyout I did that with Caberra
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05-28-2013, 02:26 PM | #29 |
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I never understood why you want to buy out a players arbitration years. If his arb estimate is lower than what your offering. Anyone mind explaining it to me?
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So I had a top SP prospect, Colton Cain, for example. I signed him maybe 3 seasons ago in my game for like a 5 year/5M per year deal. His arb amount that season was probably something like a hare under 4M. But in those 3 seasons? He's been top 5 in wins, ERA, and K's each year. Had I gone year to year with him, he'd probably be making double what he does now, and would likely be a free agent next year too. But I still have him for another 2 years and he's being paid like a #4 starter. There is risk. I've bought out a player's arb years only to have him fizzle out. But in general, I'm very willing to pay an extra 1M to a player now if I can save 3 or 4M or more in a later year. |
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05-28-2013, 04:45 PM | #31 |
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FA salary > Arb 4 salary (Super 2s) > Arb 3 salary > Arb 2 salary > Arb 1 salary. Therefore, signing a multi-year extension at or near the Arb 1 salary amount that covers all arb years and a year or two of FA is almost always a good deal. The instances where a player flames out (after you've had 3 years to judge him by) are infrequent enough that just having 1-2 star players pan out more than makes up for any dead money on those guys.
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05-28-2013, 05:21 PM | #32 |
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Awwww I always play with a $100m cap so I've used that arb all wrong because I didn't want to pay them that extra couple of mil that first year
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05-28-2013, 05:49 PM | #34 |
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Try either 7.4 or 7.9 over 4 years, he should take that
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05-28-2013, 05:49 PM | #35 |
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I'm curious on the term buying out his arbitration rights, what does that mean?
If I sign a guy who is in his first season of eligibility, do I pay a fee for this? |
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05-28-2013, 06:24 PM | #37 | |
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Buying out arb years is not fee based and simply means that instead of going year to year with the arbitration, you can lock up your player on a contract that will last the duration of his years of eligibility for arbitration and into free agency. The reason why it's good to do this for your star players especially is that you get them at a consistent salary which makes it easier to balance your budget. As others have said, even if you pay the player a little more to sign him to a long extension, you usually will save more money than if you had gone year to year and he happens to have some monster production in those seasons. I apologize for any mistakes, so any of the more seasoned vets can chime in and correct me |
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09-14-2013, 08:24 AM | #38 |
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I'm trying to figure out the best contract to offer this player. Initially he wants 18.1 million per year for 5 years. He is the anchor of my rotation, so I will be keeping him regardless, but prefer not to pay him 18+ million.
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Both cost and (usually) length are negotiable. I generally don't let players reach their initial FA offering, as I always extend during arb year #1 until age 30 when I can, so this is a slightly different scenario for me. The absolute first step is determining the length that you are comfortable with. I generally target the age 30 season as being the last year on the first big extension/contract. For your player, with a June birthday, you can count it either way. We'll call next year his age 26 season, so ages 26-27-28-29-30 would be a 5 year deal. So, for me, the length your player wants is perfect. If you want to set things at 32, you might be able to get a discount on a 7-year deal vs a 5 year-deal, but let's proceed under the assumption of a 5-year negotiation here. Other posters have added excellent negotiating tips, but I would start with a 5 year deal at 12 million per year. He almost certainly won't accept it, but the manner in which he responds will help tell you how high to make the next one. I generally increment my deals up by 1 million per year until I see an angry face, at which point I will generally go up close to whatever the player is demanding as a counterpoint to my last offer. Those counters will almost always drop, so I'd be surprised if you had to pay more than 16 million per for that player if you put the effort in. |
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Lets say you have a pitcher like a Clayton Kershaw, Matt Harvey, Jose Fernandez. After 2.5 years, you of course managed their service time so they wouldn't be Super Two (lolMarlins), so you have a "4th" year of them at league minimum (0.5, 1.5, 2.5, 3.5 then arby). Obviously you know they're going to get a metric TON in arby, maybe not first year, but second/third year (see Lincecum, Tim). So you go to them, and say: We'll buy out your final team controlled season, your 3 arbitration years, and 2-3 years of free agency. Lets hammer out a deal. Year 1: 550k; team offers 2.5m Year 2: 4.75m; team offers 6m (first year arby) Year 3: 9.25m; team offers 9m (second year arby) Year 4: 13m; team offers 9m (third year arby) Year 5: FA1; team offers 10m Year 6: FA2; team offers 11m Year 7: FA3; team offers 12m Year 8: FA4; team offers 13.5m TOPT/1.5m buyout See?
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