Player unwilling to negotiate - Page 2

MrWideFrame · 06-07-2016, 01:16 AM

He hit free agency and I'm getting the same message. He refuses to talk further, even though we haven't talked yet.

PSUColonel · 06-07-2016, 07:38 AM

I think there may be a bug here. This does happen, but eh fact the player was never unhappy about anything is a direct problem it seems.

ohiodevil · 06-07-2016, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I think there may be a bug here. This does happen, but eh fact the player was never unhappy about anything is a direct problem it seems.

It's not uncommon for players to no longer want to play for the team that drafted them or broke into the majors with. I agree that maybe there should have been better wording around it, but since he is playing OOTP15, it may have been fixed in 16 or 17.

r0nster · 06-07-2016, 08:25 AM

I see this all the time in arbitration years. They rarely will want more than 1 year contracts. When they are in their last arbitration year then they are willing to sign long term deals. The bad thing is its usually over inflated price so I let them go FA then re-sign them and more often than not cheaper

r0nster · 06-07-2016, 08:26 AM

DO NOT negotiate more than twice in one game day. Or he will refuse to talk with you.

MrWideFrame · 06-07-2016, 10:52 AM

Again, I have not negotiated with him in years.

RchW · 06-07-2016, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I think there may be a bug here. This does happen, but eh fact the player was never unhappy about anything is a direct problem it seems.

A player doesn't have to be unhappy to want to test FA. I'd be concerned that any supposed "fix" would make it too easy to retain players. This is a fine line to walk for OOTPD.

NoOne · 06-07-2016, 12:28 PM

yeah, this is intended behaviour. it's not a bug. i'm sure it's related to greed or selfishness or some combination of personality traits. those are the ones that "want" to test free agency like some/many players do in real life.

read ronster's 2 posts above, that's all the information you need.

MrWideFrame · 06-07-2016, 01:13 PM

Sure he can test free agency. But once he is a free agent why wouldn't he be willing to listen to an offer from me?

I think if you were in my shoes you would feel like something was wrong under the hood. This is the first time I've encountered something like this in hundreds of OOTP seasons.

This isn't the typical "I'm not ready to talk yet" response. This is the response you get from someone who is frustrated from negotiations gone bad. How is that possible when we haven't even talked?

ohiodevil · 06-07-2016, 01:54 PM

Has anyone run into this in OOTP16 or OOTP17?

RchW · 06-07-2016, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MrWideFrame

Sure he can test free agency. But once he is a free agent why wouldn't he be willing to listen to an offer from me?

I think if you were in my shoes you would feel like something was wrong under the hood. This is the first time I've encountered something like this in hundreds of OOTP seasons.

This isn't the typical "I'm not ready to talk yet" response. This is the response you get from someone who is frustrated from negotiations gone bad. How is that possible when we haven't even talked?

Been in your shoes several times in 2 long term leagues back to v8. Some players just don't negotiate. In the big picture I still think it's too easy to retain players in a modern day FA type OOTP league. That's advantage human player, something we don't need.

It's unfortunate you're still on v15 we have no way to tell if your player would negotiate in v16 v17.

MrWideFrame · 06-07-2016, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Been in your shoes several times in 2 long term leagues back to v8. Some players just don't negotiate. In the big picture I still think it's too easy to retain players in a modern day FA type OOTP league. That's advantage human player, something we don't need.

It's unfortunate you're still on v15 we have no way to tell if your player would negotiate in v16 v17.

I would agree with that. My teams are always winners and I've always been able to retain my players if I'm willing to fork over the money. This is the first time I've ever seen this.

I ran a test and he signed for 4/100. I would have easily given him more than that given the opportunity.

TomVeal · 06-07-2016, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRed75

Screw the fans. They'll come back eventually.

Happily, I didn't have to make a decision. The player decided to retire, perhaps in order to avoid jeopardizing his Hall of Fame prospects with another 2-7, ERA 5.23, WHIP 1.84 season.

06-07-2016, 01:13 PM	#29
MrWideFrame Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 224 Thanks: 124 Thanked 70x in 54 posts	Sure he can test free agency. But once he is a free agent why wouldn't he be willing to listen to an offer from me? I think if you were in my shoes you would feel like something was wrong under the hood. This is the first time I've encountered something like this in hundreds of OOTP seasons. This isn't the typical "I'm not ready to talk yet" response. This is the response you get from someone who is frustrated from negotiations gone bad. How is that possible when we haven't even talked? Last edited by MrWideFrame; 06-07-2016 at 01:16 PM.

06-07-2016, 01:16 AM	#21
MrWideFrame Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 224 Thanks: 124 Thanked 70x in 54 posts	He hit free agency and I'm getting the same message. He refuses to talk further, even though we haven't talked yet.

06-07-2016, 07:38 AM	#22
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 9,150 Blog Entries: 37 Thanks: 1,372 Thanked 2,140x in 1,220 posts	I think there may be a bug here. This does happen, but eh fact the player was never unhappy about anything is a direct problem it seems.

06-07-2016, 08:25 AM	#24
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,720 Thanks: 783 Thanked 699x in 485 posts	I see this all the time in arbitration years. They rarely will want more than 1 year contracts. When they are in their last arbitration year then they are willing to sign long term deals. The bad thing is its usually over inflated price so I let them go FA then re-sign them and more often than not cheaper

06-07-2016, 08:26 AM	#25
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,720 Thanks: 783 Thanked 699x in 485 posts	DO NOT negotiate more than twice in one game day. Or he will refuse to talk with you.

06-07-2016, 10:52 AM	#26
MrWideFrame Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 224 Thanks: 124 Thanked 70x in 54 posts	Again, I have not negotiated with him in years.

06-07-2016, 12:28 PM	#28
NoOne Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 6,722 Thanks: 720 Thanked 1,836x in 1,483 posts	yeah, this is intended behaviour. it's not a bug. i'm sure it's related to greed or selfishness or some combination of personality traits. those are the ones that "want" to test free agency like some/many players do in real life. read ronster's 2 posts above, that's all the information you need.

06-07-2016, 01:54 PM	#30
ohiodevil OOTP Roster Team Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Rocky River, Ohio Posts: 1,706 Thanks: 550 Thanked 540x in 366 posts	Has anyone run into this in OOTP16 or OOTP17?