Understanding The Ratings

[Rookie80924]

I'm beginning my 5th season (week) in Perfect Team, but my team ERA was sky high and made me lose more games than I should. The start of the new season with 17 games in has me with a starter ERA of 6.32 and bullpen ERA of.....10.53.

What I am getting to, is that I don't understand the ratings of the pitchers. All 5 of my starters have overall rankings of 88 to 78, and the relief pitchers have overall ratings of 100 to 68. I do have an 83, but he hasn't proven to be effective.

So what are the ratings I should be looking for in setting up my pitching roster? I know I need better cards, but I live on a limited budget in RL and can only buy pacts when I get enough PP. Occasionally I'll buy $5.00 worth of PP on my Steam account for cards. Thanks for any help!

[mayday10]

Buy players instead of cards. Try to grind tournaments for your packs.

How is your defense? That is a good way to undermine decent pitchers.

[dkgo]

the overall doesnt matter. compare the actual ratings

dont buy packs, they are a lottery you usually lose.

[bailey]

Pitching:
Score your pitchers, strive to be 400 or better
Stuff + 2.4 * Movement + 1.5 * control

Defense 80+ @ 2B, SS, CF
60+ elsewhere is fine

Batting:
80+ contact, sacrifice this (a little) only for 2B,SS,CF
Avoid K -- 60+, lower than this needs very high contact to overcome.

Speed: Turn off stealing globally, and set strategy for speedy guys individually. Don't bother stealing with guys less than 90+ stealing AND speed.

Play in tournaments - find my post elsewhere how to do this effectively. Search word in thread title: "struggling"

[jeffstified]

Originally Posted by bailey

Pitching:
Score your pitchers, strive to be 400 or better
Stuff + 2.4 * Movement + 1.5 * control

Defense 80+ @ 2B, SS, CF
60+ elsewhere is fine

Batting:
80+ contact, sacrifice this (a little) only for 2B,SS,CF
Avoid K -- 60+, lower than this needs very high contact to overcome.

Speed: Turn off stealing globally, and set strategy for speedy guys individually. Don't bother stealing with guys less than 90+ stealing AND speed.

Play in tournaments - find my post elsewhere how to do this effectively. Search word in thread title: "struggling"

Can I ask where the pitching formula comes from?

I just completed all the Live missions, with the Dodgers being last. I now have a dilemma in centerfield, Snider or Ichiro. I do like to play good defense. 98 at 2B and 102 at SS. Snider in CF is only 56.

2 SP and 3 RP are either regular or extreme groundballers, the rest neutral. My goal is too only (mostly) get groundballers in the future. So maybe giving up some centerfield-D isn't that bad.

[Torgonius]

Originally Posted by bailey

Pitching:
Score your pitchers, strive to be 400 or better
Stuff + 2.4 * Movement + 1.5 * control

I tried the equation out as listed, and it was coming back with insane numbers. I changed it to: score=((stuff*2.4)+(movement*1.5)+control)
and it was coming back with scores in the 300-450 range.

Works much better than the formula I pulled out of my posterior when trying to come up with a decent scoring system.

[ignats75]

Bailey, is this your proprietary formula, or did you find this somewhere? If its yours, can I use it without emailing you PPs as a royalty?

[jeffstified]

Originally Posted by Torgonius

I tried the equation out as listed, and it was coming back with insane numbers. I changed it to: score=((stuff*2.4)+(movement*1.5)+control)
and it was coming back with scores in the 300-450 range.

Works much better than the formula I pulled out of my posterior when trying to come up with a decent scoring system.

I don't know about this. It's pretty well agreed movement is most important, followed by control and stuff last. The original formula is setup like this. Not sure if the numbers are correct, but it's probably in the right direction.

My pitchers range from 374 to 459 (Maddux).

[ubernoob]

Originally Posted by Torgonius

I tried the equation out as listed, and it was coming back with insane numbers. I changed it to: score=((stuff*2.4)+(movement*1.5)+control)
and it was coming back with scores in the 300-450 range.

Works much better than the formula I pulled out of my posterior when trying to come up with a decent scoring system.

Then you did it wrong and forgot the order of operations. That's not the weighting for those stats.


For example, here's Bert Blyleven


102 (Stuff)

189.6 (Movement [79]*2.4)

127.5 (Control [85]*1.5)


419.1 (Total Score)

[Jeff1787]

Originally Posted by bailey

Pitching:
Score your pitchers, strive to be 400 or better
Stuff + 2.4 * Movement + 1.5 * control

Defense 80+ @ 2B, SS, CF
60+ elsewhere is fine

Batting:
80+ contact, sacrifice this (a little) only for 2B,SS,CF
Avoid K -- 60+, lower than this needs very high contact to overcome.

Speed: Turn off stealing globally, and set strategy for speedy guys individually. Don't bother stealing with guys less than 90+ stealing AND speed.

Play in tournaments - find my post elsewhere how to do this effectively. Search word in thread title: "struggling"

I have seen similar formulas. Seems like they give a little extra weight to Stuff, not just 1 to 1...Maybe things have changed with OOTP21?

[Torgonius]

Originally Posted by ubernoob

Then you did it wrong and forgot the order of operations. That's not the weighting for those stats.


For example, here's Bert Blyleven


102 (Stuff)

189.6 (Movement [79]*2.4)

127.5 (Control [85]*1.5)


419.1 (Total Score)

And to think I just helped my 3rd grader with order of operations this week. At least he got it right. I guess that's what I get for doing this stuff when I should be paying attention to a conference call for work.

[ignats75]

Originally Posted by ubernoob

Then you did it wrong and forgot the order of operations. That's not the weighting for those stats.


For example, here's Bert Blyleven


102 (Stuff)

189.6 (Movement [79]*2.4)

127.5 (Control [85]*1.5)


419.1 (Total Score)

Now THAT makes more sense.

[ignats75]

Its also important to note that you should be using the 1-100 rating system and not the MLB 20-80.

[Lemandria]

Originally Posted by ignats75

Bailey, is this your proprietary formula, or did you find this somewhere? If its yours, can I use it without emailing you PPs as a royalty?

DonkeyKong's final published numbers, I believe.

It's a bit simplistic; no alteration for ballpark effects, tight/loose defense, etc.

But general rule-of-thumb numbers that worked pretty well for XX PL pitchers.

Worked not at all well for XX bronze level pitchers ;p

[Charlatan]

Originally Posted by jeffstified

Can I ask where the pitching formula comes from?

I just completed all the Live missions, with the Dodgers being last. I now have a dilemma in centerfield, Snider or Ichiro. I do like to play good defense. 98 at 2B and 102 at SS. Snider in CF is only 56.

2 SP and 3 RP are either regular or extreme groundballers, the rest neutral. My goal is too only (mostly) get groundballers in the future. So maybe giving up some centerfield-D isn't that bad.

IMHO your outfield dilemma isn't really much of a dilemma. I would definitely use Ichiro in CF. Snyder can train to 84 in LF and 70 in RF so he would be ok in either corner spot, depending on who else you have on your roster. One of my teams uses Snider in LF, and the other actually sold him because I am using the AL Live reward Yastrzemski there.

I don't think I would ever use Snider in CF, even on a team where I wasn't prioritizing defense. But that's just me.

[mayday10]

Klein over Snider in RF. Ichiro in CF. Yazoo in left

[daves]

Originally Posted by bailey

Pitching:
Score your pitchers, strive to be 400 or better
Stuff + 2.4 * Movement + 1.5 * control

Defense 80+ @ 2B, SS, CF
60+ elsewhere is fine

Batting:
80+ contact, sacrifice this (a little) only for 2B,SS,CF
Avoid K -- 60+, lower than this needs very high contact to overcome.

Speed: Turn off stealing globally, and set strategy for speedy guys individually. Don't bother stealing with guys less than 90+ stealing AND speed.

Play in tournaments - find my post elsewhere how to do this effectively. Search word in thread title: "struggling"

So do individual player settings save for tournaments?

[Torgonius]

Yes, they save with the roster you export. No need to redo them every time.

[daves]

Originally Posted by Jeff1787

I have seen similar formulas. Seems like they give a little extra weight to Stuff, not just 1 to 1...Maybe things have changed with OOTP21?

The formula may have changed since stuff is not capped. Instead of a 128 limit there are pitchers with 140 stuff or more. The highest movement is currently 93 and only perfect Maddox has a control rating over 100 (104) that I can find.

[DonMattingly]

Originally Posted by bailey

Pitching:
Score your pitchers, strive to be 400 or better
Stuff + 2.4 * Movement + 1.5 * control

Defense 80+ @ 2B, SS, CF
60+ elsewhere is fine

Batting:
80+ contact, sacrifice this (a little) only for 2B,SS,CF
Avoid K -- 60+, lower than this needs very high contact to overcome.

Speed: Turn off stealing globally, and set strategy for speedy guys individually. Don't bother stealing with guys less than 90+ stealing AND speed.

Play in tournaments - find my post elsewhere how to do this effectively. Search word in thread title: "struggling"

How much weight do you give to the quality/ratings of the pitches? Any at all to how many the pitcher knows? And to velocity? To vs LHP/RHP splits? To ground ball types vs fly ball types?