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That's the route I've taken. Average defensive team with high strikeout pitchers. I am very curious though on how this experiment works. |
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I am likely completely mistaken on something here but wanted to see if this logic is correct as this could help develop a more defensive team on PT by editing your Ball Park Factor to suit your teams strengths? Quote:
What is the ideal height for 1B as have never taken this into consideration when retraining a player here? |
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Couple tips for OP - since so many people mentioned retraining, just be aware that retaining does NOT carry over from entry pool into bronze league from what I can tell. So you will have to do it all over in bronze (which is not an issue since you definitely want to do it and get guys ratings up as soon as you can - but just something to keep in mind).
I trained Ichiro from 0 to a 70something CF in Diamond, and lets just say his ZR was not particularly stellar during the nearly full season haha. List of budget OFs Ive notice that you can pick and choose and usually get for 50PP or less: Kevin Pillar Willie Wilson Ichiro Suzuki (little more expensive but still under 100) Kiermier Can probably get some decent silvers too around 100-200 such as Shane Victorino for example. So depending on what you want to spend you can field a super budget defensive outfield that can hit ok (for average at least) and decent speed. Try Victorino, Pillar, Ichiro for example |
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From personal experience, a staff of all groundball pitchers will not perform well, no matter how elite your infield defense is. One reason is the high BABIP that comes with having a GB pitching profile. Additionally, the elite GB/EXGB options are extremely limited - so much so that it is impossible to field a starting rotation of all diamonds. They simply do not exist.
To have any chance of this type of strategy working at higher levels, you'll need to add in some quality pitchers with a neutral profile. |
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If you dig into the formulas, here's essentially the breakdown of order of value each stat is to each position. 1B: Height > Range > Error (Arm and DP are almost worthless) 2B: Range >> Error = DP > Arm SS: Range >> Error = DP > Arm 3B: Arm > Range >> Error > DP LF: Range >>> Arm > Error CF: Range >>>>> Error > Arm (Arm is almost worthless, very heavily range influenced here) RF: Range > Arm >> Error Last edited by DonkeyKongSr; 01-10-2019 at 07:11 PM. |
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01-10-2019, 07:18 PM | #27 |
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One thing I've noticed is that a player's Error rating is more important to overall defensive performance than I once thought it was. It doesn't just effect the likelihood of a error on the scoreboard, but also has an easily observable effect on plays made.
I find that when I look at the advanced breakdown of defensive stats, low Error rating players (like the Tris Speaker I have in CF, with a 21 Error) do slightly worse on "routine", but very poorly on "even chance" plays. If they have good range, they are usually still as good as you'd expect on tough or near impossible plays. But, the "even chance" plays are numerous. Speaker, with that low rating, some years is in the range of 20% on even chance, while guys with high error ratings are well up in the 70-80% range. I've stopped obsessing with Range because of this. Well, I'm still obsessing, just slightly less so. |
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Strikeouts are never bad. Even with elite defense, BABIP luck can still swing against you. Strikeouts remove that possibility. The thing is, you still need control & movement to make up for the bad defense. Walks + hits (from bad D) + homers = bad times. You'd need to be a strikeout GOD to make up for all that.
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So here is my cheap starting defensive lineup so far. This is the baseline starting point just put together with my starter points. I need to still find someone for 1B and upgrade C.
Then start nabbing some pitchers who will benefit from the defense Albert Belle is a nice DH in the middle of a lineup without much pop. Bader in LF, McReynolds in CF and Suzuki in RF (although based on DonkeyKongs rating hierarchy it seems like maybe I should put Bader back at CF and play Mcreynolds superior arm in LF. Thanks to DonkeyKongs spreadsheet it shows that Bader could end up at about 114 rating in LF Last edited by Maddox; 01-10-2019 at 08:16 PM. |
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had decent luck with Cochrane so far with my pre-ww2 team.... ignoring his first/partial season, he's done a solid job compared to what other catchers have done for me (course, it's only been silver league and half a season in gold so far; so no telling what would happen at higher levels, depending on where your team(s) are at).
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One month Although I'm upset they have to drop it in February. Can't they release it in April or May, you know, when I don't have a ton of work on OOTP to get done?
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Of note, in my records, I've found 6 guys who will rate over 100 at CF, 32 at RF, and 63 at LF. For a budget 1B, there's always Brandon Belt and his 104 1B rating. However, Silver Tulowitski and Bobby Crosby should peak higher (110 & 108 according to the calculator, but 1B overcalculates by 2 points often). Last edited by DonkeyKongSr; 01-10-2019 at 09:23 PM. |
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01-10-2019, 09:37 PM | #38 | |
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Francisco Mejia Gabby Hartnett Johnny Bench (OVR 92) Here is Mejia stats. I was platooning him with Gabby until I pulled the Bench card. Now he is my DH against right-handers. My entire team had their best offensive year of their lives last year (maybe because I was in Bronze for the third time) and he won the batting title. When he needed PA's to get on the leaderboard, he took over for Gabby as full-time DH. |
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01-10-2019, 09:38 PM | #39 | |
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It's less bad to do it in Perfect Team vs real OOTP though as you keep the players as long as you want them. |
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Rookie Tulo is a 110 at 1B? This is where he caps out at 2B I think the better play for 1B is to focus on the offensive profile of your choice where the player has acceptable defensive stats. For example, my starter pack gold was the 2017 All Star Corey Seager. Only a 69 positional rating at SS, but he gets to 104 at 1B. Being 6'3" definitely helps, but otherwise his defensive ratings are nothing special, just mid 70's on everything. And even if they don't quite reach triple digits at 1B, its not like its a premium defensive position... Tulo's 110 is WAY more valuable at 2B than at 1B.
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