iOS to Windows Mobile 7 Tool

[hit_or_miss54680]

Microsoft releases iPhone-to-Windows Phone 7 App porting tool

So you should definitely put iOOTP on Windows 7 Marketplace. Even better if it had achievements. :P

[Marc Vaughan]

Originally Posted by hit_or_miss54680

Microsoft releases iPhone-to-Windows Phone 7 App porting tool

So you should definitely put iOOTP on Windows 7 Marketplace. Even better if it had achievements. :P

Those kind of tools generally 'sound great' but for a complex C++ program, they're generally not sufficient to implement a port to an entirely seperate language (C#).

[klkitchens]

Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

Those kind of tools generally 'sound great' but for a complex C++ program, they're generally not sufficient to implement a port to an entirely seperate language (C#).

Unless it's just porting the compiled code to compiled code -- not source. Then it "might" work

And unless he's using pointers, the C++ code will be about 90% similar to C#

[Marc Vaughan]

Originally Posted by klkitchens

Unless it's just porting the compiled code to compiled code -- not source. Then it "might" work

If its doing that then it'd be incredibly clever and would definitely be worth looking at (but tbh if it was doing that I'd expect it'd be getting a LOT more coverage generally).

And unless he's using pointers, the C++ code will be about 90% similar to C#

I'd almost guarentee the use of pointers in iOOTP source code, most complex C++ programs use them as a matter of course because of dynamic memory allocation - this is even more likely on a memory limited platform like a handheld game.

[cdheer]

Originally Posted by klkitchens

And unless he's using pointers, the C++ code will be about 90% similar to C#

Isn't that sort of like saying, "Unless you're using gasoline, motorcycles are very similar to bicycles?"

[hit_or_miss54680]

I wish I understood what you guys were saying :P

I just want a Windows Phone version hella bad. There are a couple of nice things about porting to Windows Phone:

1. Heavy focus on games.
2. Trial system that's very similar to OOTP's past trials systems.
3. Minimum Windows Phone Specs are higher than what iOOTP needs so you'd know iOOTP worked on every phone without hassle.
4. Achievements would be awesome (optional) IE: Have pitcher throw a perfect game, have a hitter join HOF, etc.
5. MS will do anything to see WM7 succeed so it's a platform that is only going to grow/never go away. See Nokia deal for example.

[Sebastian Palkowski]

Originally Posted by hit_or_miss54680

I wish I understood what you guys were saying :P

I just want a Windows Phone version hella bad. There are a couple of nice things about porting to Windows Phone:

1. Heavy focus on games.
2. Trial system that's very similar to OOTP's past trials systems.
3. Minimum Windows Phone Specs are higher than what iOOTP needs so you'd know iOOTP worked on every phone without hassle.
4. Achievements would be awesome (optional) IE: Have pitcher throw a perfect game, have a hitter join HOF, etc.
5. MS will do anything to see WM7 succeed so it's a platform that is only going to grow/never go away. See Nokia deal for example.

Its the same answer as with an Android version: we just don't have enough men-power to support another platform.

Btw.: Archievements are on my to-do list for one of the updates or new version.

[rudel.dietrich]

Gamecenter has achievements

[Tullius]

Its the same answer as with an Android version: we just don't have enough men-power to support another platform.

But you should always consider the market situation:

Markt share:

40% Android (-> 50% in the next years)
15% iPhone
15% Blackberry
5% W7 Phone (-> 20% in the next years)

iPhone will be constant and my generally Apple products are surrounded by hype and are too expensive. They are more a status symbol for the middle class but an average customer will look for a less expensive alternative.

[Sebastian Palkowski]

Originally Posted by Tullius

But you should always consider the market situation:

Markt share:

40% Android (-> 50% in the next years)
15% iPhone
15% Blackberry
5% W7 Phone (-> 20% in the next years)

iPhone will be constant and my generally Apple products are surrounded by hype and are too expensive. They are more a status symbol for the middle class but an average customer will look for a less expensive alternative.

zu Guttenberg? It's hard to discuss this numbers without knowing anything about them. Are they from this year, last year, worldwide market, US market?

When we made the decision for iOS we did our homeworks and back then (and we still think the decision is the right one!) iPhone/iPod and iPad was the way to go. Just look at the success Football Manager Handheld has.

Again, if iOOTP is a big success we will look into other mobile platforms.

[Tullius]

It's hard to discuss this numbers without knowing anything about them. Are they from this year, last year, worldwide market, US market?

Marktforscher: Windows-Handys werden iPhone überholen - magnus - Magnus.de

More than a half year ago there were some other views but my biggest problem is the hype around Apple. They even claimed that in the age of the iPhone you do not need an PC anymore. That would mean that you can skip the PC version of OOTP.

[birdsofprey02]

CNET Report on APP store revenue

Originally Posted by Tullius

iPhone will be constant and my generally Apple products are surrounded by hype and are too expensive. They are more a status symbol for the middle class but an average customer will look for a less expensive alternative.

I disagree with the last statement. We're looking at the iPhone/iPod/iPad versus whatever is available on the Android market. You can buy an iPhone 3gs for $50 or a new iPhone4 for $199-$299. How is that too expensive compared to whatever Droid has? Some may think they are sleek and sexy (status symbol), but they sell well, make money for developers, and people love them! IMO, thats where the rubber meets the road. You can "stick it to the man" and not like Apple because of what they've become or what people think of them, but choosing to start developing for iOS was definitely the best business strategy for OOTP. Side note, to think win7 platform will go from 5% to 20% in the next years is a bit foolish (but thats just IMO).

Lastly, the part where the iPhone replaces a PC. I truly believe that the iPad and iPhone have drastically changed the market for laptops. I don't know how much influence they've had on Desktops, but laptop sales have definitely suffered. There will be some power users that still require the strength and versatility of a power laptop, but many casual users will find no need for a laptop (myself, my parents, my wife, most of my friends included). I haven't fired up my clunkly Delll in 4 months since the iPad has been in my house. Theres just no point. Getting rid of my desktop PC? I don't see that happening anytime soon. iPad hammering laptop sales

[rnf1968]

Originally Posted by birdsofprey02

CNET Report on APP store revenue





I disagree with the last statement. We're looking at the iPhone/iPod/iPad versus whatever is available on the Android market. You can buy an iPhone 3gs for $50 or a new iPhone4 for $199-$299. How is that too expensive compared to whatever Droid has? Some may think they are sleek and sexy (status symbol), but they sell well, make money for developers, and people love them! IMO, thats where the rubber meets the road. You can "stick it to the man" and not like Apple because of what they've become or what people think of them, but choosing to start developing for iOS was definitely the best business strategy for OOTP. Side note, to think win7 platform will go from 5% to 20% in the next years is a bit foolish (but thats just IMO).

Lastly, the part where the iPhone replaces a PC. I truly believe that the iPad and iPhone have drastically changed the market for laptops. I don't know how much influence they've had on Desktops, but laptop sales have definitely suffered. There will be some power users that still require the strength and versatility of a power laptop, but many casual users will find no need for a laptop (myself, my parents, my wife, most of my friends included). I haven't fired up my clunkly Delll in 4 months since the iPad has been in my house. Theres just no point. Getting rid of my desktop PC? I don't see that happening anytime soon. iPad hammering laptop sales

Very well put and absolutely spot on.

[hit_or_miss54680]

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

Gamecenter has achievements

I scoff at you. Those are no more achievements than a bunt is a stolen base.

XBL Achievements are the only achievement that *GENERALLY* matters to people.

[rudel.dietrich]

Originally Posted by hit_or_miss54680

I scoff at you. Those are no more achievements than a bunt is a stolen base.

XBL Achievements are the only achievement that *GENERALLY* matters to people.

Well in five years when you get your own version if OOTP mobile then all your friends can be impressed.