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Old 12-26-2017, 05:22 PM   #1
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Signing players in NHL

Maybe I am doing something wrong, I have 2 RFA, I ask each player for their demands, I then exceed the demands in term and dollars looking to go longer term, maybe a 3 year instead of 2 year. Both players instantly refused (no counter negotiation, nothing) and now will wait for offer sheets etc. That should not be possible. perhaps if I insulted them with lowball or less than demands maybe. However, in both cases I exceeded their demands and they did not accept or counter or anything like that and now I cannot renegotiate. that needs some work I feel.
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Old 12-26-2017, 07:06 PM   #2
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I actually like the idea that a player isn't guaranteed to resign just because you meet his contract demands. Sometimes players just want to play somewhere else and or see what they can get as a free agent, realistic in my opinion.
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Old 12-26-2017, 07:54 PM   #3
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I actually like the idea that a player isn't guaranteed to resign just because you meet his contract demands. Sometimes players just want to play somewhere else and or see what they can get as a free agent, realistic in my opinion.
Thats not realistic for restricted free agents. Even if another team sends him an offer, the team that owns his rights can just as easily match it.

Depending on the player's situation, adding term might be a bad thing though since it might eat up years of their unrestricted free agency.
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Old 12-26-2017, 09:43 PM   #4
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Thats not realistic for restricted free agents. Even if another team sends him an offer, the team that owns his rights can just as easily match it.

Depending on the player's situation, adding term might be a bad thing though since it might eat up years of their unrestricted free agency.
Or it eats more RFA years. It's not a bad thing to qualify a person though. They will eventually sign with you or not, but if you choose not to match, you at least get compensation.
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Old 12-27-2017, 12:32 PM   #5
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Or it eats more RFA years. It's not a bad thing to qualify a person though. They will eventually sign with you or not, but if you choose not to match, you at least get compensation.
Right, I was just trying to think of a scenario that would cause a player to not be happy with getting more term and more money.

I dont think there is ever a scenario that gets a reaction of refusing to negotiate any further though.
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Old 12-27-2017, 12:59 PM   #6
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Right, I was just trying to think of a scenario that would cause a player to not be happy with getting more term and more money.

I dont think there is ever a scenario that gets a reaction of refusing to negotiate any further though.
Jacob Trouba, Winnipeg last year.

Kyle Turris, Phoenix.

Most of the time it's because players want out, but not always.
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Old 12-27-2017, 06:09 PM   #7
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Jacob Trouba, Winnipeg last year.

Kyle Turris, Phoenix.

Most of the time it's because players want out, but not always.
I think we are talking about different scenarios. I agree that there are occassions where an RFA won't want to negotiate, but in those situations when asking for their demands they should just say they won't sign with the team or just make the demands insanely high.

Those aren't cases of a player saying this is what they are looking for, the team coming back by offering MORE terms and money, and then the player following up by saying they are done negotiating.
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Old 12-29-2017, 06:35 PM   #8
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if i had to guess it's the more term that's causing them to reject the offer. most RFAs don't want to give away UFA years in their deals.
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Old 12-30-2017, 04:09 PM   #9
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I agree, it's probably term that is stopping them from signing a contract. You can offer more money but it would have to be worth it for someone to give up those free agency years.

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Old 01-17-2018, 08:53 PM   #10
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Ok so here is my issue... I met Sam Reinharts demands and than asked for his response... he was happy with my offer. So I hit submit and went to the next day. Anaheim matched my offer (same exact offer) and BAM he was auto signed. WTF is that? I don't even get to counter? Happened to another Free Agent too.. so far I have not signed anyone. Not how FA should work imo... OOTP you can see what the other team(s) are offering and match or exceed.

BTW I am Edmonton and EVERYONE should want to play there.

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Old 01-18-2018, 12:38 AM   #11
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Ok so here is my issue... I met Sam Reinharts demands and than asked for his response... he was happy with my offer. So I hit submit and went to the next day. Anaheim matched my offer (same exact offer) and BAM he was auto signed. WTF is that? I don't even get to counter? Happened to another Free Agent too.. so far I have not signed anyone. Not how FA should work imo... OOTP you can see what the other team(s) are offering and match or exceed.

BTW I am Edmonton and EVERYONE should want to play there.
That's a little different with RFAs and UFAs. Make sure to not get them confused. RFAs if it's your team, you have the right to match it and it'll come via the Mail.

UFAs are a whole different ball game. You don't necessarily know what other teams are offering, but on the main menu (or in the Free Agent center), you can see who usually has the best offer or where the player seems most likely to sign.
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