Catcher Ability

runyan99 · 01-17-2019, 05:52 PM

Does the Catcher Ability rating affect pitchers in any way? In other words are things like pitch selection or framing modeled here?

I assume the other rating called Catcher (the position rating) is only used for balls in play.

Orcin · 01-17-2019, 06:11 PM

Catcher ability is fielding the position plus framing. Catcher arm strength figures into caught stealing.

<Pion> · 01-17-2019, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by runyan99

Does the Catcher Ability rating affect pitchers in any way? In other words are things like pitch selection or framing modeled here?

I assume the other rating called Catcher (the position rating) is only used for balls in play.

Comparing the Catcher's ERA suggests that there is a positive effect, it's hard to quantify because exporting stats mixes catching stats with other positions (a player like Buster Posey will have a much lower CERA in the exportable stats screen than he does on his playing card because of the innings at 1B adding in to his innings at C in the league stats). Maybe I'm just not seeing how to separate them in the league stats, would be great if they could be.

runyan99 · 01-17-2019, 06:32 PM

If that's true then what is the rating only called Catcher for?

To be clear catchers are special and have two ratings. Catcher and Catcher Ability.

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Originally Posted by Orcin

Catcher ability is fielding the position plus framing. Catcher arm strength figures into caught stealing.

whobob · 01-17-2019, 06:55 PM

I believe the rating only called catcher is the overall defensive value for the catcher, taking into account ability, arm, and experience. Much the same way the overall defensive value of a SS takes into account range, arm, double play ability, errors, and experience at SS.

DonkeyKongSr · 01-17-2019, 07:14 PM

From the OOTP manual. It's strange that arm is mentioned in ability...

Catcher Ability
Catcher Ability is a measure of a catcher's overall catching skill. Catcher Ability isn't truly a distinct rating. It is more of a composite number based on a combination of the player's defensive skills (arm, error, range) and his experience at the position.

Catcher Arm
Catcher Arm is a measure of a catcher's arm. Catchers with higher Catcher Arm are more likely to throw out runners stealing a base. Catchers with high Catcher Arm ratings could also cause opposing managers to think twice before attempting a steal.

FYI, there's no underlying ratings shown in the editor, so I've got to think a higher catcher ability scales up all the aspects of catching proportionately (i.e. someone can't be both excellent at framing and dog**** at passed balls like Yasmani Grandal in real life).

<Pion> · 01-17-2019, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DonkeyKongSr

From the OOTP manual. It's strange that arm is mentioned in ability...

Catcher Ability
Catcher Ability is a measure of a catcher's overall catching skill. Catcher Ability isn't truly a distinct rating. It is more of a composite number based on a combination of the player's defensive skills (arm, error, range) and his experience at the position.

Catcher Arm
Catcher Arm is a measure of a catcher's arm. Catchers with higher Catcher Arm are more likely to throw out runners stealing a base. Catchers with high Catcher Arm ratings could also cause opposing managers to think twice before attempting a steal.

FYI, there's no underlying ratings shown in the editor, so I've got to think a higher catcher ability scales up all the aspects of catching proportionately (i.e. someone can't be both excellent at framing and dog**** at passed balls like Yasmani Grandal in real life).

Ah, someone that's seen Grandal at work.

DonkeyKongSr · 01-17-2019, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by <Pion>

Ah, someone that's seen Grandal at work.

Dodgers fan here

Thalion · 01-17-2019, 09:55 PM

Somebody said that a high Catcher Ability would help low Control pitchers a lot due to their superior pitch framing. I can certainly understand that, but does that mean that a high Catcher Ability doesn't help higher Control pitchers as well?

atabakin · 01-17-2019, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Thalion

Somebody said that a high Catcher Ability would help low Control pitchers a lot due to their superior pitch framing. I can certainly understand that, but does that mean that a high Catcher Ability doesn't help higher Control pitchers as well?

If a high control guy can hit a spot just out of the zone repeatedly and the catcher can bring it in every time, he can benefit just as much.

sabrtoothtiger · 04-09-2019, 10:21 AM

Makes me wonder if a rotation full of high movement guys would benefit most from high ability catchers. Definitely difficult to quantify, unless you start counting strikes % per pairing. It would be great to be able to "lock" a catcher to a rotation spot.

Zorro · 04-09-2019, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by sabrtoothtiger

Makes me wonder if a rotation full of high movement guys would benefit most from high ability catchers. Definitely difficult to quantify, unless you start counting strikes % per pairing. It would be great to be able to "lock" a catcher to a rotation spot.

You can do that in the 7 day lineups. I have always loved the 7 day lineup for everything. I wish they would have extended it to far more then the 7 days it is. But it is a wonderful tool.

01-17-2019, 05:52 PM	#1
runyan99 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 48	Catcher Ability Does the Catcher Ability rating affect pitchers in any way? In other words are things like pitch selection or framing modeled here? I assume the other rating called Catcher (the position rating) is only used for balls in play.

01-17-2019, 07:14 PM	#6
DonkeyKongSr All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 777	From the OOTP manual. It's strange that arm is mentioned in ability... Catcher Ability Catcher Ability is a measure of a catcher's overall catching skill. Catcher Ability isn't truly a distinct rating. It is more of a composite number based on a combination of the player's defensive skills (arm, error, range) and his experience at the position. Catcher Arm Catcher Arm is a measure of a catcher's arm. Catchers with higher Catcher Arm are more likely to throw out runners stealing a base. Catchers with high Catcher Arm ratings could also cause opposing managers to think twice before attempting a steal. FYI, there's no underlying ratings shown in the editor, so I've got to think a higher catcher ability scales up all the aspects of catching proportionately (i.e. someone can't be both excellent at framing and dog**** at passed balls like Yasmani Grandal in real life). Last edited by DonkeyKongSr; 01-17-2019 at 07:18 PM.

04-09-2019, 10:21 AM	#11
sabrtoothtiger Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 137	Makes me wonder if a rotation full of high movement guys would benefit most from high ability catchers. Definitely difficult to quantify, unless you start counting strikes % per pairing. It would be great to be able to "lock" a catcher to a rotation spot. __________________ Check out my Reds Franchise on YouTube

01-17-2019, 06:11 PM	#2
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,798	Catcher ability is fielding the position plus framing. Catcher arm strength figures into caught stealing.

01-17-2019, 06:55 PM	#5
whobob Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 85	I believe the rating only called catcher is the overall defensive value for the catcher, taking into account ability, arm, and experience. Much the same way the overall defensive value of a SS takes into account range, arm, double play ability, errors, and experience at SS.

01-17-2019, 09:55 PM	#9
Thalion Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 413	Somebody said that a high Catcher Ability would help low Control pitchers a lot due to their superior pitch framing. I can certainly understand that, but does that mean that a high Catcher Ability doesn't help higher Control pitchers as well?