Two way players in PT

BMW · 05-08-2019, 11:41 AM

I decided to get C Roger Bresnahan yesterday and noticed when I got him that he had some reasonable pitching ratings.

C Biz Mackey had some as well.

Any other old timers out there that surprised you with decent two-way ratings (old time pitchers with good hitting, hitters with pitching ratings)?

Not talking about guys who would compete both ways on the Diamond/Perfect levels, maybe a Ruth card could do that with peak pitching and hitting rating. I wouldn't expect others though.

Who have you found?

Orcin · 05-08-2019, 11:56 AM

Martin Dihigo

GlassGuyBob · 05-08-2019, 12:04 PM

PEAK Honus Wagner has good enough stats to pitch blowout mopup. 64 Stuff, 69 Movement, 20 control.

Argonaut · 05-08-2019, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GlassGuyBob

PEAK Honus Wagner has good enough stats to pitch blowout mopup. 64 Stuff, 69 Movement, 20 control.

Would be nice if you could set a pitching role as blowout mopup only. The Pablo Sandoval role.

As is, Honus Wagner may be OK for mopup, but there's no way to tell your AI manager to take that into account. Would be nice to save bullpen arms.

Orcin · 05-08-2019, 01:08 PM

The “avoid high leverage” usage option does this.

Argonaut · 05-08-2019, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Orcin

The “avoid high leverage” usage option does this.

Judging from this thread: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=263861

"Avoid High Leverage" isn't as extreme as I'm looking for. Would rather have a blowout-only option. One user noted that his "Avoid High Leverage" guy got equal work to the rest of the bullpen, just not as important work.

Orcin · 05-08-2019, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Argonaut

Judging from this thread: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=263861

"Avoid High Leverage" isn't as extreme as I'm looking for. Would rather have a blowout-only option. One user noted that his "Avoid High Leverage" guy got equal work to the rest of the bullpen, just not as important work.

That thread is from three years ago.

BMW · 05-08-2019, 02:03 PM

I won't list the various Ohtani cards, everyone should be familiar with him. Also, there are guys with some okay hitting ratings, but have contact ratings of 40 or lower (Nuxhall and Ruffing have power of about 60+). I don't think they are viable as they would be at best emergency PH on non-All Star level teams.

I checked my current league and found (Stu/Mov/Con and Con/Pow/Eye, positions are one they could conceivably play):
George Uhle: 66-73-64 pitcher, 75-1-24 hitter. Non P pos: DH/PH
Harvey Haddix: 99-39-71 pitcher, 59-20-24 hitter. Non P pos: DH/PH
Roger Bresnahan: 36/62/53 pitcher, 56/16/81 hitter. Non P pos: C/LF/CF/RF
Jimmie Foxx: 57/80/30 pitcher, 90/98/73 hitter. Non P pos: 1B/3B
Biz Mackey: 24/58/51 pitcher, 81/31/54 hitter. Non P pos: C/1B/2B/3B/SS/LF/RF

Austin Riley: 19/47/45 pitcher, 59/79/59 hitter. Non P pos: 1B/3B/LF/RF
Michael Lorenzen: 79-67-56 pitcher, 60-59-23 hitter. Non P pos: 1B/LF/CF/RF

Matt Arnold · 05-08-2019, 02:16 PM

A lot of the Negro Leagues players are two-way guys. I've got Bullet Joe Rogan who's a 72/70/60 as a pitcher and 74/81/45/39 as a ~60 def corner OF. Probably not a starter at the upper levels, but can fill in in a pinch for sure.

BMW · 05-08-2019, 02:51 PM

With the increased tiring in PT, I see value in utility role guys given the amount of time off players require.

But then again, I never win consistently in PT or Online leagues, so any advice with mine should be taken with a grain of salt.

neugey · 05-08-2019, 03:02 PM

I use Lorenzen as an extra setup man and as a substitute left/right fielder when a regular needs rest and I've been fairly happy with the approach. I think it will become a much more important tactic in salary cap or bronze-only tournaments.

<Pion> · 05-08-2019, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

A lot of the Negro Leagues players are two-way guys. I've got Bullet Joe Rogan who's a 72/70/60 as a pitcher and 74/81/45/39 as a ~60 def corner OF. Probably not a starter at the upper levels, but can fill in in a pinch for sure.

Bullet Joe did quite well for me last year in Bronze level I think. .300+ batting average and 3 ERA.

Dogberry99 · 05-08-2019, 11:22 PM

2 others not listed here who have given me positive results are Bucky Walters (mid-gold SP for the Reds) and Ned Garver (low-silver SP for the Browns)

Cheesehead1964 · 05-10-2019, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Orcin

Martin Dihigo

I have Dihigo and even though he’s listed as available for every position except pitcher and catcher, he does have nice pitching ratings.

How do you set up a player to play everyday in the field and also in your bullpen? Anyone know?

Orcin · 05-10-2019, 01:14 PM

Go to the player strategy and check the “use as two-way player” box.

GlassGuyBob · 05-10-2019, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheesehead1964

I have Dihigo and even though he’s listed as available for every position except pitcher and catcher, he does have nice pitching ratings.

How do you set up a player to play everyday in the field and also in your bullpen? Anyone know?

Go into that player's Game Strategy settings and select "Use as two way player." They will then show up on both the lineup and pitching screens.

Cheesehead1964 · 05-14-2019, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GlassGuyBob

Go into that player's Game Strategy settings and select "Use as two way player." They will then show up on both the lineup and pitching screens.

Bullet Joe Rogan and Martin Dihigo thank you!

Sipimi · 05-14-2019, 02:42 PM

How does fatigue work for those players? Can they pitch and play on the field the next day without being tired?

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Matt Arnold · 05-14-2019, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sipimi

How does fatigue work for those players? Can they pitch and play on the field the next day without being tired?

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Fatigue is set up sort of like how Ohtani was intended to be used:
-Batting/fielding fatigue affects pitching, so the AI sort of considers a player tired the day before a scheduled start so that their pitching is not affected
-Pitching fatigue affects fielding, where again, you usually need about a day to have the effects wear off

So generally speaking, if you have a guy in the rotation, he'll be more or less unavailable on the field up to 3 days a week (the day before, during, and day after a start). I wouldn't expect this to be a problem for relievers, however the AI does not consider much in how to handle them (ie. they may use him to pinch hit not considering whether he is the only fresh arm in the bullpen), so you may get funky results if you rely on too many 2-way players in your bullpen.

nickwatic · 05-15-2019, 02:13 AM

Gary Peters

05-08-2019, 11:41 AM	#1
BMW Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,030	Two way players in PT I decided to get C Roger Bresnahan yesterday and noticed when I got him that he had some reasonable pitching ratings. C Biz Mackey had some as well. Any other old timers out there that surprised you with decent two-way ratings (old time pitchers with good hitting, hitters with pitching ratings)? Not talking about guys who would compete both ways on the Diamond/Perfect levels, maybe a Ruth card could do that with peak pitching and hitting rating. I wouldn't expect others though. Who have you found? __________________

05-08-2019, 12:04 PM	#3
GlassGuyBob Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 121	PEAK Honus Wagner has good enough stats to pitch blowout mopup. 64 Stuff, 69 Movement, 20 control. __________________

05-08-2019, 02:03 PM	#8
BMW Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,030	I won't list the various Ohtani cards, everyone should be familiar with him. Also, there are guys with some okay hitting ratings, but have contact ratings of 40 or lower (Nuxhall and Ruffing have power of about 60+). I don't think they are viable as they would be at best emergency PH on non-All Star level teams. I checked my current league and found (Stu/Mov/Con and Con/Pow/Eye, positions are one they could conceivably play): George Uhle: 66-73-64 pitcher, 75-1-24 hitter. Non P pos: DH/PH Harvey Haddix: 99-39-71 pitcher, 59-20-24 hitter. Non P pos: DH/PH Roger Bresnahan: 36/62/53 pitcher, 56/16/81 hitter. Non P pos: C/LF/CF/RF Jimmie Foxx: 57/80/30 pitcher, 90/98/73 hitter. Non P pos: 1B/3B Biz Mackey: 24/58/51 pitcher, 81/31/54 hitter. Non P pos: C/1B/2B/3B/SS/LF/RF Austin Riley: 19/47/45 pitcher, 59/79/59 hitter. Non P pos: 1B/3B/LF/RF Michael Lorenzen: 79-67-56 pitcher, 60-59-23 hitter. Non P pos: 1B/LF/CF/RF __________________

05-08-2019, 02:51 PM	#10
BMW Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,030	With the increased tiring in PT, I see value in utility role guys given the amount of time off players require. But then again, I never win consistently in PT or Online leagues, so any advice with mine should be taken with a grain of salt. __________________

05-08-2019, 03:02 PM	#11
neugey All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 805 Blog Entries: 39	I use Lorenzen as an extra setup man and as a substitute left/right fielder when a regular needs rest and I've been fairly happy with the approach. I think it will become a much more important tactic in salary cap or bronze-only tournaments. __________________ Online OOTP League Play: PBA - Cincinnati Reds MLM - Baltimore Orioles

05-08-2019, 11:56 AM	#2
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,798	Martin Dihigo

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Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,798	The “avoid high leverage” usage option does this.

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Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 14,136	A lot of the Negro Leagues players are two-way guys. I've got Bullet Joe Rogan who's a 72/70/60 as a pitcher and 74/81/45/39 as a ~60 def corner OF. Probably not a starter at the upper levels, but can fill in in a pinch for sure.

05-08-2019, 11:22 PM	#13
Dogberry99 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Wichita Falls, TX Posts: 1,328	2 others not listed here who have given me positive results are Bucky Walters (mid-gold SP for the Reds) and Ned Garver (low-silver SP for the Browns) __________________ "And, Masters, do not forget to specify, when time and place shall serve, that I am an [censored]." (Much Ado About Nothing 5.1.255-256) Primary Team Collection Rewards (Cards & Packs) F2P Theme Team Movers F2P Theme and Adam Schlesinger Memorial Team

05-10-2019, 01:14 PM	#15
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,798	Go to the player strategy and check the “use as two-way player” box. Last edited by Orcin; 05-10-2019 at 01:41 PM.

05-14-2019, 02:42 PM	#18
Sipimi Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 285	How does fatigue work for those players? Can they pitch and play on the field the next day without being tired? Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk

05-15-2019, 02:13 AM	#20
nickwatic Minors (Double A) Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 195 Blog Entries: 1	Gary Peters __________________