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Old 10-14-2009, 02:37 AM   #41
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Old 10-14-2009, 07:14 AM   #42
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Players on DL must now come off DL when they are healthy and DL time is served (non-online leagues only)

Hope this is an option as there are many reasons to leave a player on the DL. Especally late in the season or playoffs....
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Old 10-14-2009, 10:39 AM   #43
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Hope this is an option as there are many reasons to leave a player on the DL. Especally late in the season or playoffs....
Yeah. Frankly, this would be done much better by affecting the player's mood than by a rule.

MLB DL's have their rules, but this isn't one that can be enforced outside a video game, where "Injured" is either "TRUE" or "FALSE".
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Old 10-14-2009, 10:53 AM   #44
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I read that as "wench".

Made it even funnier.
True story from the seventies:

Back in the day I was out in the field with a team and we got a vehicle stuck in some ridiculous mud. We didn't have a winch, so I sent one of the guys into a nearby town to see if he could buy one, which he did, and we got the vehicle out. He then made the long drive back to HQ and eventually he turned in his handwritten gas station receipt, which read "wench, $75." Upon seeing it the people at HQ went ballistic, with one of them shouting "I knew those [deleted] were doing that, but I never thought they'd turn in a [deleted] voucher for it!"

At which point I drove up with the actual winch and ruined everything.
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Old 10-14-2009, 11:45 AM   #45
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Yeah. Frankly, this would be done much better by affecting the player's mood than by a rule.

MLB DL's have their rules, but this isn't one that can be enforced outside a video game, where "Injured" is either "TRUE" or "FALSE".
Little bit of almost useless trivia - team doctors are actually required to submit medical reports to the league offices, updating the status of the injured (or formerly injured) players. Filing a false medical report can be all kinds of illegal not to mention against the rules. That said, the primary reason teams tend to stick by the letter of the law is to avoid grievance filings from the players union.
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Will be interested to see what LGO has to say with regard to real life DL rules.
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Old 10-14-2009, 12:31 PM   #47
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True story from the seventies:

Back in the day I was out in the field with a team and we got a vehicle stuck in some ridiculous mud. We didn't have a winch, so I sent one of the guys into a nearby town to see if he could buy one, which he did, and we got the vehicle out. He then made the long drive back to HQ and eventually he turned in his handwritten gas station receipt, which read "wench, $75." Upon seeing it the people at HQ went ballistic, with one of them shouting "I knew those [deleted] were doing that, but I never thought they'd turn in a [deleted] voucher for it!"

At which point I drove up with the actual winch and ruined everything.
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Old 10-14-2009, 12:53 PM   #48
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Will be interested to see what LGO has to say with regard to real life DL rules.
I don't have much to add, really. I do not think there's any specific requirement in the rules mandating a player on the DL be reinstated once healthy, though as Dan pointed out, for practical reasons clubs are unlikely to do this.

You can find cases of players, especially in the minor leagues, being on the short-term DL for quite some time. But this is usually due to a lingering injury and the club not wanting to move the player to the 60-day DL.

For OOTP purposes the question is what defines when a player is considered healthy and fully recovered from the injury.
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Old 10-14-2009, 01:05 PM   #49
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Little bit of almost useless trivia - team doctors are actually required to submit medical reports to the league offices, updating the status of the injured (or formerly injured) players. Filing a false medical report can be all kinds of illegal not to mention against the rules. That said, the primary reason teams tend to stick by the letter of the law is to avoid grievance filings from the players union.
I've seen the forms are printed in the CBA.

But, I don't think you need to worry about filing a false report.

These guys are professional athletes and have been playing for 10, 20, 30+ years. There's so much wear and tear on their bodies that I'm sure that the most reputable doctors would have no problems finding real injuries that could be used to DL a player for virtually anyone in pro ball.

That's why I mention that it comes down to player personalities; it's really the player that's going to push for the second opinion that says he can or cannot play, not the league mandating that the player come off the DL on a certain day. Theoretically, the latter could happen. But in reality, I think any disputes of "I need to come off the DL" are always played out between the team and player.

They may be out there, but I honestly can not think of a time that I've ever heard the league, on its own, mandating a player come off the DL. And even if there was, I doubt that would bring the percentage of league-initiated activations above a negligible percentage.
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Look at the guys who come off the DL on September 1st. Alot of them are out of options guys that a team wants to keep. "You have a hamstring injury on May 27th. Unless something happens you will be on the DL till September. We will pay you your salary and stipends." I dont see a player filing a grievance in those cases.
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Old 10-14-2009, 01:58 PM   #51
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True story from the seventies:

Back in the day I was out in the field with a team and we got a vehicle stuck in some ridiculous mud. We didn't have a winch, so I sent one of the guys into a nearby town to see if he could buy one, which he did, and we got the vehicle out. He then made the long drive back to HQ and eventually he turned in his handwritten gas station receipt, which read "wench, $75." Upon seeing it the people at HQ went ballistic, with one of them shouting "I knew those [deleted] were doing that, but I never thought they'd turn in a [deleted] voucher for it!"

At which point I drove up with the actual winch and ruined everything.
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Old 10-14-2009, 02:06 PM   #52
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Look at the guys who come off the DL on September 1st. Alot of them are out of options guys that a team wants to keep. "You have a hamstring injury on May 27th. Unless something happens you will be on the DL till September. We will pay you your salary and stipends." I dont see a player filing a grievance in those cases.
I don't know, I think most professional players want to play, to be in the lineup as often as possible, and not sitting on the bench (or DL) doing nothing.
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I don't know, I think most professional players want to play, to be in the lineup as often as possible, and not sitting on the bench (or DL) doing nothing.
Right, I agree. They might make out in the short term, but sitting on the bench doesn't win you any spots on other teams or get you a new contract.
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Old 10-14-2009, 02:14 PM   #54
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I don't know, I think most professional players want to play, to be in the lineup as often as possible, and not sitting on the bench (or DL) doing nothing.
It's not necessarily doing nothing. Jose Reyes, for instance, has been rehabbing and reinjuring himself regularly since going on the DL.
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It's not necessarily doing nothing. Jose Reyes, for instance, has been rehabbing and reinjuring himself regularly since going on the DL.
Sure, but that's not the situation to which TNCubsFan was referring.
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Old 10-14-2009, 02:23 PM   #56
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Sure, but that's not the situation to which TNCubsFan was referring.
True. His situation does illustrate why this would be good to implement via player personalities, not via the game stopping and demanding you are taken off the DL, however.
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True. His situation does illustrate why this would be good to implement via player personalities, not via the game stopping and demanding you are taken off the DL, however.
Maybe so. Though it's probably easier to implement a hard limit on recovered DL time than to add a lot of situations revolving around personalities and such.

Personally, I think I'd give the GM a one week window in which to reinstate a recovered player from the DL. That is, once the message comes in that the player is considered healthy enough to return to active service, you get a one week window in which to make the reinstatement. This allows the club a little bit of leeway in terms of timing the move with other roster moves that would have to be made.
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Old 10-14-2009, 02:39 PM   #58
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Maybe so. Though it's probably easier to implement a hard limit on recovered DL time than to add a lot of situations revolving around personalities and such.

Personally, I think I'd give the GM a one week window in which to reinstate a recovered player from the DL. That is, once the message comes in that the player is considered healthy enough to return to active service, you get a one week window in which to make the reinstatement. This allows the club a little bit of leeway in terms of timing the move with other roster moves that would have to be made.
The game already knows how to boost or demerit player satisfaction for a number of things.

How hard could it be to use that existing framework to subtract -300 from the Role on Team each day that the player is left on the DL after becoming un-injured? At this point, it's so in-synch with what OOTP already does, it hardly counts as coding new functionality.

That way, you also have a built-in "turn it off" if you turn off the Morale system.

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No one's convinced me that mood or any of the other nebulous attributes like "leadership" or "desire for winner" make any measurable difference. So, having the player pout about being on the DL too long isn't going to matter.

I'm just glad it doesn't apply to online leagues.
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No one's convinced me that mood or any of the other nebulous attributes like "leadership" or "desire for winner" make any measurable difference. So, having the player pout about being on the DL too long isn't going to matter.

I'm just glad it doesn't apply to online leagues.
Doesn't it inhibit the ability to do some key things, like signing players to contract extensions?

Even if the Morale doesn't do anything tangible or seem to do anything tangible, I still maintain that the DL activation issue should be addressed there. If it's the case that Morale does too little, that's a problem with the Morale system, not the components that feed the Morale ratings.

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