Why does David Eckstein still have a job? - Page 8

TonyJ · 05-09-2005, 10:31 PM

I don't take that to quote to mean that Beane is saying that Eck is a good player. What he's saying is that if, say Miguel Tejada or Eric Chavez or similarly talented players would see the number of pitches Eck did they would be better for it.

sebastian0622 · 05-09-2005, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Luis_Rivera

Problem here is that we're not talking about "most people in baseball." Having a high pitches/PA ratio is very important to Mr. Beane.

I wrote another sentence after what you quoted. That's my stance. I doubt even Beane has quantified Eck's worth to a team.

Luis_Rivera · 05-09-2005, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian0622

I wrote another sentence after what you quoted. That's my stance. I doubt even Beane has quantified Eck's worth to a team.

I apologize... I didn't mean to imply that I had completely disqualified what you said afterward... and I can definitely see how you could have taken my response as just that.

My point is that he probably admires Eck's ability to see a lot of pitches per plate appearance (3.8 for his career), and that is probably what the statement in question meant.

Erik W. · 06-02-2005, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

David Eckstein has had one good season as a starting major league shortstop, and it was awhile back. He's 30 now and is overextended as a regular. The Cards have two-three SS's in the system who could have provided equal or better value this season in Hector Luna, John Nelson or Brendan Ryan, and at the major league minimum. It was a bad signing. End of story.

I'd like to see that.

.301, 2 HR, 15 RBI, 27 R, 4 SB, .378 OBP

Skipaway · 06-02-2005, 02:09 AM

Eckstein is the new Womack? Maybe the Cardinals can trade him to the Yankees this offseason to play 2B.

Long_Long_Name · 06-02-2005, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by andymac

no crow hop

And for the last ten years I've called it a pro hop. Yikes.

Luis_Rivera · 06-02-2005, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Azamien

I'd like to see that.

.301, 2 HR, 15 RBI, 27 R, 4 SB, .378 OBP

He's doing well but that OBP is bound to drop with the average. His BB rate is up this year though which is a good sign. He's still just slugging under .400 though and unfortunately for him, that is not bound to change.

And the SB actually hurt him since he's also been caught 4 times.

boilermaker · 07-08-2005, 03:32 PM

Bump.

Yeah, why would anyone want an All Star starter on thier team?

enuttage · 07-08-2005, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by boilermaker

Bump.

Yeah, why would anyone want an All Star starter on thier team?

lol. Yeah, joins the ranks of Walt Weiss, Mariano Duncan, and Steve Sax.

To his credit, he is having a pretty good year.

Jason Moyer · 07-08-2005, 04:39 PM

Steve Sax was a good player, certainly better than Weiss/Duncan/Eckstein.

enuttage · 07-08-2005, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Moyer

Steve Sax was a good player, certainly better than Weiss/Duncan/Eckstein.

Maybe. But not in 1990 when he was an All-Star.

Dougiestyle · 07-08-2005, 04:57 PM

Eckstein's OBP is 86 points higher than his average (.372 OBP, .286 avg), so say Ecks hits his lifetime average of .279, his OBP should be around .365. That's way higher than the Lavg.

enuttage · 07-08-2005, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dougiestyle

Eckstein's OBP is 86 points higher than his average (.372 OBP, .286 avg), so say Ecks hits his lifetime average of .279, his OBP should be around .365. That's way higher than the Lavg.

No doubt. Maybe he's a late bloomer and he'll continue to improve. The OBP is pretty impressive, for sure.

bulldog55 · 07-08-2005, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by enuttage

Walt Weiss

Remember that baseball card where he's jumping over a sliding baserunner to turn a double play and it looks like he's doing a karate kick in midair? That was like my favorite card ever (or cards -- there were at least three in every pack).

Davey Eckstein · 07-08-2005, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bulldog55

Remember that baseball card where he's jumping over a sliding baserunner to turn a double play and it looks like he's doing a karate kick in midair?

No.

darkhorse · 07-08-2005, 06:24 PM

Eckstein is having a decent year at the plate. His current EQA is .264. Nice for a SS. RATE has him figured as pretty lousy in the field this year. I'd certainly be curious as to how the other metrics have Eck rated.

enuttage · 07-08-2005, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bulldog55

Remember that baseball card where he's jumping over a sliding baserunner to turn a double play and it looks like he's doing a karate kick in midair? That was like my favorite card ever (or cards -- there were at least three in every pack).

Solo karate action.

Must've been a trademark.

enuttage · 07-08-2005, 06:40 PM

Try 1991 or 1992 Upper Deck. A hunch.

enuttage · 07-08-2005, 06:43 PM

This it?

http://i19.ebayimg.com/04/i/04/51/e4/4e_1_b.JPG

Smoothie7745 · 07-09-2005, 06:29 AM

Eck is a very, very solid player...but he's an allstar thanks to the general dearth in the NL at the position. Still, he's not a bad player. Like Duncan and Sax. Not great, but not bad. Certainly good enough to have on your team.

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TonyJ Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Gassin' Kurds Posts: 2,019	I don't take that to quote to mean that Beane is saying that Eck is a good player. What he's saying is that if, say Miguel Tejada or Eric Chavez or similarly talented players would see the number of pitches Eck did they would be better for it. __________________ My Podcasts: Talk Democratic Dysfunction Name Two Bands with Andy and Andy

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Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	Eckstein is the new Womack? Maybe the Cardinals can trade him to the Yankees this offseason to play 2B. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

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Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,002	Steve Sax was a good player, certainly better than Weiss/Duncan/Eckstein. __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

07-08-2005, 06:24 PM	#156
darkhorse Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: fort worth, tx Posts: 10,850	Eckstein is having a decent year at the plate. His current EQA is .264. Nice for a SS. RATE has him figured as pretty lousy in the field this year. I'd certainly be curious as to how the other metrics have Eck rated. __________________ "The Human Torch was denied a bank loan."

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enuttage Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hill Country Posts: 2,409	Try 1991 or 1992 Upper Deck. A hunch. __________________ The former GM of the WHBL Managua Four Roses "When you meet someone better than yourself, turn your thoughts to becoming his equal. When you meet someone not as good as you are, look within and examine your own self."

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boilermaker All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,956	Bump. Yeah, why would anyone want an All Star starter on thier team?

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Dougiestyle All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Flagstaff, AZ Posts: 922	Eckstein's OBP is 86 points higher than his average (.372 OBP, .286 avg), so say Ecks hits his lifetime average of .279, his OBP should be around .365. That's way higher than the Lavg.

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