its official...Beltran is NOT a franchise player - Page 6

Bam Bam · 06-15-2005, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by potatoman

I am a Met fan too and I just want to say that Piazza is overrated. Sure he had good seasons in the past, but what is he doing now? Nothing. He shouldn't even be considered as the best catcher ever to play because he's not. Reyes is amazing even though he has no OBP and can't walk for his life. But he can run really fast when he is on base, and he has cool hair sometimes.

Beltran is definately over rated. He's making $400,000 for each RBI so far this season. That is rediculous and Pedro is the best pitcher ever. He is 7 and 1 right now on a .500 team, and that is rediculously great. Pedro has one of the best knuckleballs I've ever seen and hitters can't seem to touch it.

Cameron is definately the best CF on the NYM right now. Look, he has finally reached his potential. We saw glimpses of this potential in that one game where he hit 4 HRs! I'm pretty sure sooner or later he'll be able to do that consistently. Dougie has to be the worst 1B in the league. He's hit .197 in the last 10 games. What is that? I mean sure he has a nice glove but .197? That is totally pathetic.

I'll be glad if the Mets stay above .400 this year. I'll be surprised if Beltran gets 70 RBIs.

..... But I am the biggest Mets fan so it's not like I hate them, I'm just really dissapointed.

The Mets will be above 500 this year...but since when does Martinez throw a super knuckleball?
Cameron is the best fielder on the team...
Piazza is killin them this year...(but catchers are always overated because so few of them can hit)
Doug isn't hitting but thats not a prob, he wasn't expected to.

Bam Bam · 06-15-2005, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by marc

The funny thing is, Beltran's numbers really aren't THAT much down this year. He's just so ridiculously overrated that we are led to believe that he's the kind of guy who has had seasons where he's hit 40+ homeruns and hit .300 consistently. He's on pace for about 5 fewer homeruns then his average season and he's currently hitting for his career average at .284. He's also had NUMEROUS seasons with same K:BB ratio that he has displayed so far this season.

I think all the BS New York hype has misled Mets fans who thought they were getting some 40-40 guy that was going to hit .300 and walk 100 times.

What they really got was a very solid all-around player, but I personally don't think he's a superstar. Not even close to a Tori Hunter or Andruw Jones IMO. Also for all the 5-tool talk, he couldn't hold Vlad's jock strap in just about every possible skill.

finally, a voice of reason...

marc · 06-15-2005, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian0622

", although I strongly lean towards the former.

Me too, but some of what he said is actually right on, like Beltran being overrated. What a confusing post

potatoman · 06-15-2005, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bam Bam

The Mets will be above 500 this year...but since when does Martinez throw a super knuckleball?
Cameron is the best fielder on the team...
Piazza is killin them this year...(but catchers are always overated because so few of them can hit)
Doug isn't hitting but thats not a prob, he wasn't expected to.

Wow, he learned the knuckler this spring. You didn't notice that? You called youself a hardcore fan...

Bam Bam · 06-15-2005, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by potatoman

Wow, he learned the knuckler this spring. You didn't notice that? You called youself a hardcore fan...

yea ok, Martinez will go to the HOF with that knuckler....pffft

QuestGAV · 06-15-2005, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by potatoman

I am a Met fan too and I just want to say that Piazza is overrated. Sure he had good seasons in the past, but what is he doing now? Nothing. He shouldn't even be considered as the best catcher ever to play because he's not. Reyes is amazing even though he has no OBP and can't walk for his life. But he can run really fast when he is on base, and he has cool hair sometimes.

We knew Joe Morgan. And you, sir, are no Joe Morgan.

Luis_Rivera · 06-15-2005, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by QuestGAV

We knew Joe Morgan. And you, sir, are no Joe Morgan.

Still.. potatoman's post made me laugh... not bad at all man.

Mr. Morgan, you are simply amazing.

Luis_Rivera · 06-15-2005, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by marc

The funny thing is, Beltran's numbers really aren't THAT much down this year.

Uhh... his EQA's have been .312, .306, and .308 over the last 3 years, respectively.

This year, he's at .271, his worst offensive year (so far) since 2000. His numbers are way down.

Melo · 06-16-2005, 08:24 AM

First and foremost Joe Morgan is the living example of clutch. I bow to you, sir.

Second, Beltran does have the bad quad, which has hampered him. It's quite possible that he should have been DLed before the season ever started but he has refused. I don't think Carlos Beltran will ever be amongst the very best players in the game but I think when all is said and done we'll look back on his contract when it is over and he will have been worth it.

Smoothie7745 · 06-16-2005, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by sebastian0622

I've said all along that Beltran may be the most overrated player in the game.

The two most overrated players in the game are Bret Boone and Jim Edmonds. Have been for years.

But Beltran is hella overrated.

Smoothie7745 · 06-16-2005, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by marc

he couldn't hold Vlad's jock strap in just about every possible skill.

The most accurate statement yet, regarding Mr. Beltran.

Luis_Rivera · 06-16-2005, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Smoothie7745

The two most overrated players in the game ... Jim Edmonds.

Only defensively. He's a monster at the plate.

If anything I'd say he's underrated overall, as he isn't viewed by most as the HoFer that he should be.

dougaiton · 06-16-2005, 09:36 AM

Flabbergasted.

Gastric ReFlux · 06-16-2005, 09:40 AM

Gabberflasted.

jeheinz72 · 06-16-2005, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by potatoman

Beltran is definately over rated. He's making $400,000 for each RBI

Well not really, he hasn't been paid all 12 mil yet. If he ENDED the season with 30, then it would be 400K per.

ctorg · 06-16-2005, 09:44 AM

Yeah, Beltran's certainly overrated. I think the Mets needed to get him when they did, and he definitely improved the team, but I wish they could have gotten him for less.

atarizx3 · 06-16-2005, 09:53 AM

at least the Muts don't have Tony Womack patrolling LF.

dougaiton · 06-16-2005, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by atarizx3

at least the Muts don't have Tony Womack patrolling LF.

OFFICIALly, no, but unOFFICIALly, who knows?

Chappy · 06-16-2005, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Morgan

...He hits for average, hits for power, plays excellent defense, runs the bases well and has the rest of the tools as well.

For some reason, this explanation of the five tools left me in tears...

1 - average
2 - power
3 - defense
4 - baserunning
5 - the rest of the tools...

Hey Joe, most people break up defense into glove and arm.

By the way, these Morgan posts are too good. Especially if you read them in a Joe Morgan voice. I'm beginning to think it's not an alias, and that the Joe Morgan is a fan of OOTP. Perhaps even a beta tester who lobbied to get clutch added to the game...

atarizx3 · 06-16-2005, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by dougaiton

OFFICIALly, no, but unOFFICIALly, who knows?

It's official, Womack is NOT a franchise player

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06-16-2005, 08:24 AM	#109
Melo All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Where the baned reside Posts: 1,428	First and foremost Joe Morgan is the living example of clutch. I bow to you, sir. Second, Beltran does have the bad quad, which has hampered him. It's quite possible that he should have been DLed before the season ever started but he has refused. I don't think Carlos Beltran will ever be amongst the very best players in the game but I think when all is said and done we'll look back on his contract when it is over and he will have been worth it.

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