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06-17-2013, 03:46 PM | #21 |
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Also take in to factor Postseason meaning like say on September the 28th the game between Yankees versus Mets gets Rained out but the Mets have already clinched a Playoff spot and Yankees have no chance to make it so make up not needed.
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I don't see what's so complicated about it. It's just leveraging something the game already does but in a more systematic way allowing for more options.
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06-18-2013, 03:09 PM | #24 |
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Obviously it depends how the database is set up. It could be fairly simple, or it could be really complex.
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06-19-2013, 08:30 PM | #25 |
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I would think that Rainouts & Rescheduling as optional and configurable would the way to go. Something like this:
1. Gamer could select Rainouts & Auto-Rescheduling as Yes or No option. 2. If Yes, gamer could select Stop Sim on No-Reschedule as Yes or No, in order to tell the game - during auto-sim - whether or not to stop auto-sim when it is unable to reschedule a rainout. More on that below... 3. Gamer could then select how the game would approach rescheduling rained out games, by use of percentages. For examples: MODERN SETTINGS (as per LGO's stats from the 2011 season): - Schedule as Day/Night Doubleheader: 48% - Single game on Common Off Day: 30% - Schedule as a Single Admission Doubleheader: 22% - Do not reschedule: 0% - Switch home team allowed*: No EARLY 20th CENTURY SETTINGS (totally making these up; LGO could likely come up with realistic numbers): - Schedule as Day/Night Doubleheader: 0% - Single game on Common Off Day: 25% - Schedule as a Single Admission Doubleheader: 55% - Do not reschedule: 20% - Switch home team allowed*: Yes * Switch home team allowed would be to account for when, historically (minimal and less-than-thorough research appears to confirm) make-up games were sometimes held in the opposite city, presumably for travel/geographic/scheduling considerations/restrictions. For example, if LA is rained out in Cincy and there are no more games on the schedule between the two teams in Cincy, the game might be made up later when the teams meet in LA. 3. Then, once the internal game engine "rolls the weighted dice" (based on %'s above) to determine the type of make-up game (decides if D/N doubleheader, single admission doubleheader, off day makeup game, or no rescheduling), the game would follow logic - which wouldn't be too hard to develop, especially once LGO compiles the historical data ;-) - to analyze the remaining schedule and pick a date suitable for the makeup game. If the logic comes up empty (for example, no remaining dates between the teams, or off days, remain) and the game is unable to reschedule, then the gamer can consult the Rain Out Log to see which games were rained out and not rescheduled (and then the gamer can decide what, if anything, to do - manually - about those). The simple Rainout Log would also be useful to see which games were rained out, dates of rainout, date of reschedule game (if exists), and type of rescheduled game (off day, d/n dh, dh, not rescheduled). And if the Stop Sim option (#2 above) were set to Yes, the gamer would be able to check the log right then and there. I think the merits of this approach are that it can be 1) comprehensively configured by the gamer to be fairly realistic, totally non-realistic, or anywhere in-between, 2) it can be used to where it is very non-intrusive, depending upon settings, and 3) for those users who couldn't care less about rainouts, it can be turned off. |
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06-19-2013, 09:16 PM | #27 |
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Not sure what you mean, but it would have nothing to do with a manager or his whims. The settings are all about the 'the process' of how the game would handle rainouts for all teams.
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To continue your example, the last scheduled game of LA at CIN is rained out. The game is then made up as part of the next time CIN is at LA. Normally in this case LA would be the home team and CIN the visitor (in other words CIN will have less than 81 home games played and LA more than 81). But instead, even though the game is taking place in LA in its park, CIN is treated as the home team and bats second while LA bats first. MLB has done this sort of thing a couple of times over the last few years; not sure if it's a change in policy in terms of how games played at the other team's park are made up or if it was just special circumstances. Last edited by Le Grande Orange; 06-20-2013 at 02:11 PM. |
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Offhand I wouldn't make the process too customizable since, well, there's already a ton of it in the game and I'd rather not bury users with another level of weighty details to master. I'd probably keep the choices simple. Quote:
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Here's the article: The Oddities of a Suspended Game. |
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So if in the top of the 5th inning the dice roll comes up and the rains come down, OOTP won't actually apply that until that game reaches a legal conclusion. If the visiting team was leading 5-4 in the top of the 5th, then the home team would get to bat in the bottom of the 5th. If it fails to score a run, or scores enough to take the lead, once the inning is concluded OOTP applies the weather and the game is called at that point. If the home team tied the game in the bottom of the 5th, then the game would continue until such time as one team or the other had taken the lead after an inning, at which point OOTP would then apply the weather to end the game. One caveat would be rain falling before a game is a legal game (4½ innings). In the majors a game called before that point is scrapped, the stats thrown out, and the game later replayed in full. In the minors, however, a game can be suspended before it is a legal game. So that would need to be taken into account. The easiest way would be for OOTP to not make any rolls on the possibility of weather ending a game early until at least 4½ innings have been played. That prevents having to have different weather scenarios for the majors and minors.* *The whole question of the majors versus the minors is something I think OOTP needs to explore more in future versions. There is a tendency to make the minors simply echo the majors, but that isn't right. The minors are really a distinct entity, with its own particular set rules and 'flavour'. OOTP should do more to capture that. Ideas along this line will be something I'll probably be promoting for OOTP 15. |
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If everything could be properly done from the start, we wouldn't have any updates or patches or new versions. Just something to remember. |
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My feeling is that too much of the time that doesn't happen with OOTP, and too often features are implemented on an ad hoc basis without a clear long-range plan of where that feature will end up and how to get there. |
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Something that seems to have been forgotten here when it comes to realism and how OOTP could handle this realistically is team travel. A team that has to travel after a series without a off day granted to them is not going to want to make up a game as part of any doubleheader on the last day of the series.
For example. The pirates are playing a 3 game series with the Cubs in Pittsburg. Game 2 of the series is rained out. The Pirates Start a series in San Fransisco the day after game 3 of their series with the Cubs. The Pirates won't want a double header with the Cubs on that day and then have to travel to SF overnight.. Your only options then are: -Find a future series where the Cubs are in Pittsburg.and create the DH -if no series exists,make up the game on a mutual off day for the teams. |
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You know, realism is a fine line. I for one love the little details that add realism. But I don't think the game has to be 100% realistic. In the end it's really just a game. That means that practical considerations such as travel time don't need to come into play if it means no rainouts, doubleheaders, and so on. Our virtual teams aren't traveling anywhere.
So if the Pirates and Cubs were rained out in the second of three games, then I would have the makeup game be the next day, in some kind of double header. It would be kind of fun to have to switch up the lineups, what with two games being played in one day and all. And yes, fatigue factors can play a role, just as they do for back-to-back games now. An older player might not play both games. |
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Basically, the rule is that if a game is being made up in the other club's park, the original home club gets to bat second as if it was the home team even though it isn't. So if SF at CIN were rained out and was to be made up as CIN at SF, rather than SF batting second as the home team, it would instead bat first and CIN would bat second. Interestingly though, the game is still counted as a road game for CIN and a home game for SF. In other words, it's a situation where the home team bats first rather than second (which used to happen back in the 19th and early 20th century). This scenario actually happened earlier this season between the Reds and Giants. A game postponed in Cincinnati was scheduled to be made up as part of a regular doubleheader in San Francisco, except that in the second game (the makeup game) the Reds were to bat second rather than the Giants. See MLB news articles about this here, here, and here. I presume this change was made in order to make it more fair to the club losing out on a home game. While it doesn't get to play in its own park, it at least gets to bat second as if it was at home. (Note that in the minors, and prior to 2007 in the majors, the visiting club would bat first regardless.) Quote:
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See my (now edited) prior post. By rule the Giants were the home team even though the other rule required them to bat first in the makeup game. (The linked MLB articles concur with this.)
Retrosheet categorizes this as "HTBF" or Home Team Bats First. It used to occur with some frequency in the 19th century but then fell out of favour in the early 20th century. |
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