Rule 5 Eligibility

ronnieh · 12-10-2017, 12:12 PM

The OOTP manual states that a player is eligible for the Rule 5 Draft when "The player has at least three but fewer than six years of professional service time, and the player was age 19 or older when he first signed a contract."

There are players in an online league I am commissioner of that have not met these requirements but are eligible for this years draft. Here are two examples.

Age: 20 years 38 days
Time as a Professional 2 Years, 184 days

Age: 21 years 267 days
Time as a Professional: 3 Years, 184 days

Are there additional factors outside of age and professional service time that can make players RV eligible?

Cod · 12-10-2017, 02:53 PM

One factor not mentioned in your post (not sure if its in the manual) is:

Player was 18 or younger on the June 5 preceding their signing and this is the fifth Rule 5 draft upcoming.

This factor primarily deals with international players. Are the two players you mentioned international signings?

Drstrangelove · 12-10-2017, 03:45 PM

Correct. Here is the total MLB rule:

Players are eligible for selection in the Rule 5 draft who are not on their major league organization's 40-man roster and:

were 18 or younger on the June 5 preceding their signing and this is the fifth Rule 5 draft upcoming; or
were 19 or older on the June 5 preceding their signing and this is the fourth Rule 5 draft upcoming.

ronnieh · 12-10-2017, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cod

One factor not mentioned in your post (not sure if its in the manual) is:

Player was 18 or younger on the June 5 preceding their signing and this is the fifth Rule 5 draft upcoming.

This factor primarily deals with international players. Are the two players you mentioned international signings?

One of them is. Thank you! That does explain one of them. This is the fifth RV since he came in as an IFA.

The other one was not. Attached is the player history. We are in year 2044. He was drafted in 2042 at 18 years old. So this is only the second RV since he was drafted. He was released and signed a minor league contract. Could his release and signing or signing bonus have an impact?

Matt Arnold · 12-11-2017, 10:05 AM

Yes, if a player is released and signed, they are eligible for rule 5 from then on.

coljesep · 12-15-2017, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Yes, if a player is released and signed, they are eligible for rule 5 from then on.

Matt can you help me understand why this is?

According to MLB -

"Players who signed with their current club at age 18 or younger and have played professionally for at least five years are eligible to be selected, as are those who signed at 19 or older and have at least four years of professional experience."

Can you provide the reasoning behind the statement you made? You could be right, but I've never heard of that rule.

coljesep · 12-15-2017, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Yes, if a player is released and signed, they are eligible for rule 5 from then on.

The rules for the Rule 5 can be found here

https://registration.mlbpa.org/pdf/MajorLeagueRules.pdf

Starting on Page 57.

The only mention on released and signed minor leaguers that I find seems to state that they are only eligible if the age requirements/pro yrs are met.

The only factor that would negate that would be if the same team re-signed the player after releasing him.

Anybody else interpret that differently?

Matt Arnold · 12-15-2017, 12:55 PM

There was some debate on the beta boards, where it seems that if players are released and sign with someone else that they are eligible for subsequent drafts.

Legalese is unfortunately a language in which I'm not fully fluent. In the link you sent, it seems to be the clause 4 which would cover these cases, but I would tend to agree in reading that that they should still wait for the 4/5 years in those cases. I'll also say that it should rarely matter, since there aren't usually very many players who would be good enough for someone to take in a rule 5 draft who have been released and signed by someone else (or at least there shouldn't be if the AI is releasing guys properly).

12-10-2017, 12:12 PM	#1
ronnieh Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 44	Rule 5 Eligibility The OOTP manual states that a player is eligible for the Rule 5 Draft when "The player has at least three but fewer than six years of professional service time, and the player was age 19 or older when he first signed a contract." There are players in an online league I am commissioner of that have not met these requirements but are eligible for this years draft. Here are two examples. Age: 20 years 38 days Time as a Professional 2 Years, 184 days Age: 21 years 267 days Time as a Professional: 3 Years, 184 days Are there additional factors outside of age and professional service time that can make players RV eligible?

12-10-2017, 02:53 PM	#2
Cod All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 935	One factor not mentioned in your post (not sure if its in the manual) is: Player was 18 or younger on the June 5 preceding their signing and this is the fifth Rule 5 draft upcoming. This factor primarily deals with international players. Are the two players you mentioned international signings?

12-10-2017, 03:45 PM	#3
Drstrangelove Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 346	Correct. Here is the total MLB rule: Players are eligible for selection in the Rule 5 draft who are not on their major league organization's 40-man roster and: were 18 or younger on the June 5 preceding their signing and this is the fifth Rule 5 draft upcoming; or were 19 or older on the June 5 preceding their signing and this is the fourth Rule 5 draft upcoming.

12-11-2017, 10:05 AM	#5
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 14,145	Yes, if a player is released and signed, they are eligible for rule 5 from then on.

12-15-2017, 12:55 PM	#8
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 14,145	There was some debate on the beta boards, where it seems that if players are released and sign with someone else that they are eligible for subsequent drafts. Legalese is unfortunately a language in which I'm not fully fluent. In the link you sent, it seems to be the clause 4 which would cover these cases, but I would tend to agree in reading that that they should still wait for the 4/5 years in those cases. I'll also say that it should rarely matter, since there aren't usually very many players who would be good enough for someone to take in a rule 5 draft who have been released and signed by someone else (or at least there shouldn't be if the AI is releasing guys properly).