$40 on OOTP 17 and it does not recognize interleague rivalries (Cubs/Sox) when making a schedule?!

[winningwithstyle]

I am the GM of the White Sox in an online league. For the next season, the game has me playing the St Louis Cardinals in a 4 game home and home set that should have been a Cubs/Sox matchup. You'd expect a game that is a $40 buy to have basic features, like a realistic schedule generator, if they proclaim the sim is "an accurate simulation of being a MLB GM" then the Cubs and Sox would be one of the set teams that play every year. C'mon man, EA sports and 2k sports and their ****ty simulations are still able to recognize an interleague rivalry and make sure both those teams play each other at some point during every generated season. This is a text simulation that is only a 1 Gig game stock, that is not confined to limited space on a disc, that doesn't include a basic schedule generator; schedule generators that are available in games 15+ years old. For $40, one should not be satisfied when something as simple as this is overlooked. When will OOTP be updating the game to fix this?

[endgame]

Nevermind. I misread. Thought your user name was whiningwithstyle. Pardon me.

[winningwithstyle]

Originally Posted by endgame

Nevermind. I misread. Thought your user name was whiningwithstyle. Pardon me.

good, now I know I can sell you something that is less efficient than advertised, and you would be happy with it

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by winningwithstyle

When will OOTP be updating the game to fix this?

We won't be. It's something for a future version, maybe OOTP18.

However, it's more than possible for anyone who wants to make sure to have a specific rivalry game scheduled each year to change the schedule manually. It shouldn't take you more than 5 minutes or so to do.

[winningwithstyle]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

We won't be. It's something for a future version, maybe OOTP18.

Thank You. I don't see how it would take a whole re-write of the game code to make interleague rivalries a set matchup. You already have teams playing each other within the division the same amount of times a year. The game has me playing the Cards 4 times instead of the Cubs. All one would have to do it have an extra 4-6 games set for their interleague rival instead of my team playing a different NL Central team every year

[TheMaus2]

"basic features?"
The the super schedule generator mod is with all the other schedules if you want that. OOTP doesn't account for crosstown rivalries yet. I'm guessing that this part of the game would be hard to code.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by winningwithstyle

Thank You. I don't see how it would take a whole re-write of the game code to make interleague rivalries a set matchup. You already have teams playing each other within the division the same amount of times a year. The game has me playing the Cards 4 times instead of the Cubs. All one would have to do it have an extra 4-6 games set for their interleague rival instead of my team playing a different NL Central team every year

It's a good idea for a feature. I hope we can get it in for 18.

I'll definitely make sure to bring it up as we develop 18. In fact, I just brought it up now.

[TheMaus2]

Also, it's an online league and it is an "accurate simulation of an MLB GM" and not an accurate simulation of an MLB schedule.

[mitchkenn]

if editing the schedule isn't your thing (certainly isn't something i've tackled before!) you can always request a specific schedule in the Mods/Schedules part of this forum. the guys there are pretty quick and extremely talented.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by TheMaus2

Also, it's an online league and it is an "accurate simulation of an MLB GM" and not an accurate simulation of an MLB schedule.

Fair enough, but he brought up a good idea.

I for one am happy he did so I'm not going to nit-pick the semantics of exactly how he made the request.

We'll take a look at seeing if this is possible for OOTP18.

[BIG17EASY]

Really disappointing to see people attacking the OP. He may have overreacted a bit, but he certainly doesn't deserve the condescending replies he received. We, as a collective community, know better and should be better.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

Really disappointing to see people attacking the OP. He may have overreacted a bit, but he certainly doesn't deserve the condescending replies he received. We, as a collective community, know better and should be better.

The sarcastic thread title was completely unnecessary. Everybody could have done better including the OP.

[The Game]

Style as a Sox fan i dont see it as a big deal. You can find many schedules in the link below. Also changing it is really simple.
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post3780009

You can also reuse past schedules, or the Commish can.

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by RchW

The sarcastic thread title was completely unnecessary. Everybody could have done better including the OP.

And I said as much when I said he overreacted. But the responses he received did not do any good. There's a better way to let someone know their post is either out of line or ill-informed.

[pstrickert]

Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

Really disappointing to see people attacking the OP. He may have overreacted a bit, but he certainly doesn't deserve the condescending replies he received. We, as a collective community, know better and should be better.

And, sometimes, a newcomer needs to know we don't indulge petulant behavior. Well, most of the time.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

Really disappointing to see people attacking the OP. He may have overreacted a bit, but he certainly doesn't deserve the condescending replies he received. We, as a collective community, know better and should be better.

Yes. Thank you!

We're going to have folks post here that are new to the game, new to the series, maybe they're even very young, and they just don't know about proper etiquette, maybe they're used to other sites that are more more aggressive, informal, impersonal whatever.

We really want to make this community welcoming to everyone who buys the game. The OOTP community has gotten a bit of a reputation in places for being insular and aggressive toward folks who criticize our games or express divisive views.

That's not what Markus or Andreas or myself or anyone from OOTPD wants the forums to have a reputations for. No more than any of you guys who love OOTP's games do, I'm sure.

We really appreciate having such good friends who are willing to help defend us where they feel it's needed.

That being said, we want to welcome anyone with an interest in our games. Some new posters are young, or inexperienced in forum etiquette. Some are upset because they're unhappy with one of our games for some reason and don't quite know how to constructively channel that or are just used to buying games from other companies that ignore their complaints and where they have to hit hard to even be heard at all.

That's ok. They'll realize in time that we welcome critiques and criticisms and aren't going to casually dismiss their thoughts and ideas and complaints. But since up until now they may've only dealt with companies that care less than we do, it may take time for them to learn that.

But OOTP really doesn't need to be defended from legitimate (or even illegitimate) criticism. We want to hear from everyone who's bought our games.

If folks are bothering to post complaints and issues, it's actually a good thing. It means they've seen enough in the game to feel it's worth their time and effort to try to contribute and add their take. We want to encourage that, not stifle it.

Obviously there are going to be a few trolls who make issues, but even then if you really think someone's a troll, don't go after them yourselves and start a flame war. Let one of the mods know, or let myself or Andreas know and we'll deal with it if it needs to be dealt with.

Overall, please just try to assume the best of everyone who posts here unless they've proven beyond a doubt, through repeated behavior, that they don't deserve that courtesy. Even if that's clearly the case, just report their post and let us deal with it.

But for 99.9% of the new posters here, please just do your best to make them feel welcome, answer their questions as you're able and to overlook any minor flaws in their approach or tone.

That's what can really help us out and will help OOTP to grow and thrive.

[Lukas Berger]

PS: Sorry to get all preachy and to write the Great American Novel in a forum post

[TheMaus2]

Originally Posted by pstrickert

most of the time.

Ohrly?

[TuckerDuckson]

Dunno about this guy but I got this game for 20 bucks

[andrewv500]

Thank you! The game doesn't need anyone here to stand up for it in the manner that many do. It speaks poorly of the community, and the game as well, when people respond with rudeness and insults

I've bought this game every year for over a decade and yet I never feel compelled to contribute because the tone, if there's even any actual activity at all, is consistently ugly and the people who do moderate are usually conspicuous in their absence

People just need to stop acting like this game's white knight, and thank you to those in this thread and elsewhere who actually have the confidence in this game to not lash out like many others do

Originally Posted by lukasberger

Yes. Thank you!

We're going to have folks post here that are new to the game, new to the series, maybe they're even very young, and they just don't know about proper etiquette, maybe they're used to other sites that are more more aggressive, informal, impersonal whatever.

We really want to make this community welcoming to everyone who buys the game. The OOTP community has gotten a bit of a reputation in places for being insular and aggressive toward folks who criticize our games or express divisive views.

That's not what Markus or Andreas or myself or anyone from OOTPD wants the forums to have a reputations for. No more than any of you guys who love OOTP's games do, I'm sure.

We really appreciate having such good friends who are willing to help defend us where they feel it's needed.

That being said, we want to welcome anyone with an interest in our games. Some new posters are young, or inexperienced in forum etiquette. Some are upset because they're unhappy with one of our games for some reason and don't quite know how to constructively channel that or are just used to buying games from other companies that ignore their complaints and where they have to hit hard to even be heard at all.

That's ok. They'll realize in time that we welcome critiques and criticisms and aren't going to casually dismiss their thoughts and ideas and complaints. But since up until now they may've only dealt with companies that care less than we do, it may take time for them to learn that.

But OOTP really doesn't need to be defended from legitimate (or even illegitimate) criticism. We want to hear from everyone who's bought our games.

If folks are bothering to post complaints and issues, it's actually a good thing. It means they've seen enough in the game to feel it's worth their time and effort to try to contribute and add their take. We want to encourage that, not stifle it.

Obviously there are going to be a few trolls who make issues, but even then if you really think someone's a troll, don't go after them yourselves and start a flame war. Let one of the mods know, or let myself or Andreas know and we'll deal with it if it needs to be dealt with.

Overall, please just try to assume the best of everyone who posts here unless they've proven beyond a doubt, through repeated behavior, that they don't deserve that courtesy. Even if that's clearly the case, just report their post and let us deal with it.

But for 99.9% of the new posters here, please just do your best to make them feel welcome, answer their questions as you're able and to overlook any minor flaws in their approach or tone.

That's what can really help us out and will help OOTP to grow and thrive.