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08-29-2007, 09:24 AM | #81 |
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I would think that could be attributed to the fact that, when behind in the count, pitchers are more likely to throw a hittable strike in order to avoid the walk.
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08-29-2007, 04:16 PM | #82 | |
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DIPS seems to assume this -- and so HR's aren't included as a balls "in-play" which seems to give pitcher's a lot more of a break than they deserve. You mention the following: "So when you see a pitcher with a high home run total over time, you can assume he gives up lots of flyballs, and from there you can assume that keeps his hits per balls in play lower. Correlation studies tend to confirm this as there seems to be a small inverse correlation between home run rate and hits per balls in play for pitchers." This is problematic to me for this very reason. Isn't it likely that there is an inverse correlation precisely BECAUSE those HR's are not being considered as hits per balls in play? To use the fact that an outfield fence exists as a way of diminishing the importance of HR's for BABIP (or outright ignoring HR's) has no logical basis in my mind. Doesn't this give an advantage to flyball pitchers that ground-ballers do not have? Why should that be? Or maybe I'm just missing something... which could be the case. |
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08-29-2007, 08:35 PM | #83 | |
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If you look at something like a DIPS ERA (or FIP or whatever folks want to call it), home run pitchers get punished plenty, it's just they do so independent of however balls in play are treated. Home Runs are always treated as hits, whereas a ball in play (whether it fell in for a hit or not) is treated as a fraction of a hit (this is a bit simplistic but is generally the truth). This is the flipside of the relationship between strikeouts and balls in play: a strikeout is almost always an out, while a ball in play is only sometimes an out. The idea being is that we can, for example, cast a new look on a pair of pitchers like say Paul Derringer and Carl Hubbell and try and address the effects the quality of their respective teams had on their stats (IE, when it comes to DIPS, Derringer is actually close to Hubbell's equal at least when both were at their best). |
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08-30-2007, 01:10 PM | #84 | |
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To get back to point though, I'm also totally brand new to OOTP and would love to hear your thoughts on the game so far. I'm struggling with the interface immensely, but I think I'll work through that. Would you mind posting your thoughts to date so far??? Especially love to hear your thoughts on how OOTP measures up in terms of the DIPS theory. I've read elsewhere in these forums that the OOTP designers pretty much subscribe to it. I'll leave it up to individuals to assess whether that's good or bad, but I am interested in hearing how OOTP measures up in that respect, as well as how you found the overall "feel" of the game. Being "semi-famous" and all, I totally understand if you would rather not give a public critique (no that ant spelt rite ). |
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