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07-21-2014, 11:22 PM | #1 |
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"injuries"
do any of you guys ever tell a player hes going on the disabled list because hes "injured"?
i have a starting pitcher who is a good veteran with a nice contract but no options and having the worst season of his career. i am tempted to just tell him hes going on the dl for some trumped up injury. i know teams sometimes do this in real life and just wonder what the consensus is around here
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07-22-2014, 09:58 AM | #5 |
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In OOTP, you can't put a player on the DL unless he has an injury, so you'd have to go into the editor and give a guy an injury to do what you're talking about.
In real life, RichW is correct. A doctor must sign off on injuries. However, there have been rare instances where MLB looks into a DL move. The last one I can remember was when the Mets put Oliver Perez on the DL a few years back with a knee issue after he refused a minor league assignment. Here's a news story about that situation. |
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And I do personally believe it happens in real life, but as an agreement between the player and the team. There'd only be a problem if the player filed a grievance, so if they both agree that he needs some time off to rest and recuperate, there shouldn't be an issue. Not saying it's a common occurrence by any stretch, but I'd be shocked if it never happened. |
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07-22-2014, 04:33 PM | #7 | |
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The Astros insisted that Richard's was being "lazy" and a "malinger" so he was allowed to pitch and within a week he had ruined his magnificent arm permanently. A possible Hall of Famer ruined overnight through ignorant attitudes. Doctors examined Richard and soon identified the condition, since the team had refused to accept that JR was accurately describing a problem. For Hughes, the Yankees sent Hughes for testing after he had lost speed off his FB and said his arm felt dead. The key is whether the doctors tell the player that the symptoms he has appear to be a "dead" arm and worthy of DL time to have advanced testing identify the facts or whether they tell the player to lie about what his arm. IMO, a player who doctors think shouldn't play because the doctors think he may have a medical condition that could cause stroke or serious injury should go on the DL until the matter is cleared up. The doctor should not clear the player to play. Last edited by Drstrangelove; 07-22-2014 at 04:47 PM. |
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Dirk Hayhurst an ex player with a few cups of coffee in MLB said that when he was in the Tampa Bay Rays organization it was well known among the marginal relief pitchers that if you got an injury requiring DL time that you would be likely be released. This caused many players to hide injuries and often ruin their arms. Anecdotal but on point IMO.
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07-22-2014, 10:58 PM | #9 |
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I've done it a couple times with a struggling player who gets his with a couple day injury. I'll put them on the 15-day DL while I figure out what I want to do with them. I've been tempted a couple times to throw someone on the 60-day DL, but never pulled the trigger just cause it felt too much like cheating.
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If a team tells a player that it doesn't want him on the active roster and the player has two choices -- go on the DL or be demoted -- then that player is likely to tell a doctor he can't play in order to go on the DL. If a player tells a doctor he has pain/soreness/etc., what's that doctor going to do? Argue? No, like you said, if a player says he's hurt, something will be diagnosed, even if the doctor can't find any symptoms beyond what the player says he is feeling. This is exactly what happened with Oliver Perez in the link I posted earlier in this thread. He was downright awful, the Mets didn't want to release him because they were paying him big money, but he had an option and they wanted to demote him. But because of his service time, he had the right to refuse that demotion, which he did. So they wound up placing him on the DL with a knee issue, which just happened to be the same issue he had experienced earlier in his career. Many thought it was a little too convenient that a guy who was completely healthy and refused a demotion was suddenly injured. It was so suspicious to the point that MLB investigated the DL move, although it was eventually upheld. (As an aside, I do know for a fact that things like this happen in the minors on a pretty regular basis.) I'm not saying things like this happen in MLB on a daily basis, or even a semi-regular basis. But I think we're naive if we say that players never go on the DL when they aren't actually injured. |
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07-27-2014, 06:37 AM | #12 | |
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This is one of the whole points of having a union. Players don't have to be forced to do things that violate the CBA....it costs the team and / or league big bucks for trying that. Last edited by Drstrangelove; 07-27-2014 at 06:42 AM. |
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