Head coaches

Blitzburger · 03-06-2013, 01:21 AM

From what I understand, there was a decision to take out Head Coaches for player-run teams to streamline the game. While I'm really liking the potential of FHM ( it looks like it's going to be exactly what I hoped it would) I've got to say, not allowing us to hire Head Coaches is weak.

Playing as a GM only, it feels weird and wrong to leave all the coaching decisions to an assistant coach. Choosing the right coach should be a big part of running your team, as should being able to fire him if things aren't working out.

Please, please re-consider allowing Head Coaches for player-run teams

Maplicito · 03-06-2013, 04:44 AM

I have to say I agree. From what I've seen, it also seems that the assistants won't change the lineup - if a player is injured, I have to scratch him from the roster myself, the assistant won't scratch him and dress someone else. He also won't scratch someone playing poorly and dress someone else. I'm fine with being the one to place someone on the injured list, but I'm not looking to change who dresses and who doesn't.

I don't know if that is something that will change on further builds, or if it was intended that we play a much more involved role as the coach - but personally, I was looking to be the Franchise Manager, not the Franchise Coach.

duari91 · 03-06-2013, 01:36 PM

I must say, I have to agree as well.

This was one of the most important parts of EHM 2007 to me. Finding that special Head Coach could turn some things around for my struggling team at times. The same goes with promotions. I would usually hire assistant coaches that would success my retiring head coach in that case.

Instant Classic · 03-06-2013, 02:35 PM

Have to agree with the above mentioned too, I'm sure somewhere down the line this may change but it seems to be less realistic and as duari91 has said above, it was one of the aspects I enjoyed from EHM 2007. Being able to fire the coach when your team is doing poorly to change momentum then bringing in your own guy who could potentially turn things around was ace.

sizzlingpopcorn · 03-06-2013, 02:46 PM

I like the hiring/firing of head coaches also. Sometimes in EHM I'd have one and other times I'd take the reigns over myself.

Peter10 · 03-06-2013, 04:08 PM

Was just about to post on the same topic, so i fully agree on this one.

Hocky201 · 03-06-2013, 04:09 PM

Agreed, I don't get that....in OOTP even if you managed games yourself you still had a manager.

Sebmono · 03-13-2013, 07:30 AM

I realize that this is probably beating a dead horse at this point, but I wanted to through my hat in as well, please bring back head coaches for player run teams. From a realism/simulation perspective this seems like a must. From a playability perspective it also seems key since even though you can have the assistant coach take care of tasks for you, you most likely won't be able to hire the best coaches available into assistant positions since they would be looking for HC jobs. Was really sad to take over the caps and see Adam Oates sitting in the jobless pool...

SushamiBoy · 03-13-2013, 01:52 PM

I must agree. The amounts of times that the tides changed in my games because of a well timed sacking/hiring are countless in my EHM games. Even though I'm not his biggest fan, I was excited to see what Therrien would bring to my Habs.

On a side note, this may have been addressed, but why does my starting staff for the Habs all have attributes at 0. Kinda sad to have to sack our real life goaltending coach because he actually has 0 in coaching tenders.

Alessandro · 03-13-2013, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SushamiBoy

On a side note, this may have been addressed, but why does my starting staff for the Habs all have attributes at 0. Kinda sad to have to sack our real life goaltending coach because he actually has 0 in coaching tenders.

This will be addressed later on, proper staff research hasn't started yet.

SushamiBoy · 03-13-2013, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alessandro

This will be addressed later on, proper staff research hasn't started yet.

Oh perfect! Thanks for the update

dave1927p · 03-13-2013, 05:59 PM

when head coaches are implemented i would like to see the league history working too...and please include coaches and GMs in history so we can be checking on leaders in those ranks.

sprague · 03-14-2013, 01:23 PM

I think it would be a mistake to have a set up where one is the gm of the Montreal Canadiens, but not have the choice of Scotty Bowman to coach, or the Bruins and not have Don Cherry simply because the game has no space for them.

That should be an option. Like in ootp, if I really wanted myself to be the manager, I can create a fictional manager and hire myself. But if I am the GM of the Yankees and want Girardi to manage I should have that option. A similar setup means nothing in the actual game play, just gives a coach to appear on our personnel screen.
But it adds more realism

gekkoguy82 · 03-14-2013, 03:23 PM

I just wanted to add my voice to the chorus in favor of coaches. They're such a huge part of the sport, it is odd not to have them present in the game. Hopefully we'll see them implemented in a future update!

Flyers Gunner · 03-14-2013, 05:45 PM

I like it. I prefer to manage and coach the squad (I primarily play FM), but for a hockey game, I'd be more inclined to manage personnel and let the coach take care of games.

shaken_bacon · 03-15-2013, 05:07 AM

Yep, agreed. I'm not Pat Quinn! I can't GM and coach! I want to be just the GM.

Pretecf · 03-15-2013, 12:27 PM

Without a graphical representation of game play, immersion is lost unless the ability to hire a head coach is included. It is needed.

anguscl · 03-19-2013, 12:05 PM

And for the coaches to to have different styles, either defensive or offensive..or something in between...

So yes, add my vote to the necessity of head coaches.

geckon · 03-19-2013, 12:16 PM

I added some ideas regarding personnel and head coaches into internal tool for tracking requests. But still this depends on developers' decision.

EDIT: More ideas here: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...personnel.html

Claude Luster · 08-16-2013, 09:31 PM

Just got in today. Couldn't find a way to sign any Head Coach. When I start a game I'm listed as GM and Head Coach...would very much like to be able to have a head coach in charge of things.

03-06-2013, 01:21 AM	#1
Blitzburger Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 1	Head coaches From what I understand, there was a decision to take out Head Coaches for player-run teams to streamline the game. While I'm really liking the potential of FHM ( it looks like it's going to be exactly what I hoped it would) I've got to say, not allowing us to hire Head Coaches is weak. Playing as a GM only, it feels weird and wrong to leave all the coaching decisions to an assistant coach. Choosing the right coach should be a big part of running your team, as should being able to fire him if things aren't working out. Please, please re-consider allowing Head Coaches for player-run teams

03-06-2013, 04:44 AM	#2
Maplicito Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 17	I have to say I agree. From what I've seen, it also seems that the assistants won't change the lineup - if a player is injured, I have to scratch him from the roster myself, the assistant won't scratch him and dress someone else. He also won't scratch someone playing poorly and dress someone else. I'm fine with being the one to place someone on the injured list, but I'm not looking to change who dresses and who doesn't. I don't know if that is something that will change on further builds, or if it was intended that we play a much more involved role as the coach - but personally, I was looking to be the Franchise Manager, not the Franchise Coach. Last edited by Maplicito; 03-06-2013 at 08:26 AM.

03-13-2013, 05:59 PM	#12
dave1927p FHM Moderator Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Brantford, ON Posts: 2,888	when head coaches are implemented i would like to see the league history working too...and please include coaches and GMs in history so we can be checking on leaders in those ranks. __________________ IN 1964 THE LEAFS WON THE STANLEY CUP :: IT'S ALSO THE YEAR THE CANADIAN FLAG WAS DESIGNED...coincidence?

03-15-2013, 12:27 PM	#17
Pretecf Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 62	Without a graphical representation of game play, immersion is lost unless the ability to hire a head coach is included. It is needed. __________________ ENJOY THE CARNAGE

03-19-2013, 12:05 PM	#18
anguscl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 23	And for the coaches to to have different styles, either defensive or offensive..or something in between... So yes, add my vote to the necessity of head coaches. Last edited by anguscl; 03-19-2013 at 12:08 PM.

03-06-2013, 01:36 PM	#3
duari91 Bat Boy Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 19	I must say, I have to agree as well. This was one of the most important parts of EHM 2007 to me. Finding that special Head Coach could turn some things around for my struggling team at times. The same goes with promotions. I would usually hire assistant coaches that would success my retiring head coach in that case.

03-06-2013, 02:35 PM	#4
Instant Classic Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Scotland Posts: 3	Have to agree with the above mentioned too, I'm sure somewhere down the line this may change but it seems to be less realistic and as duari91 has said above, it was one of the aspects I enjoyed from EHM 2007. Being able to fire the coach when your team is doing poorly to change momentum then bringing in your own guy who could potentially turn things around was ace.

03-06-2013, 02:46 PM	#5
sizzlingpopcorn Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Halifax, NS Posts: 429 Blog Entries: 2	I like the hiring/firing of head coaches also. Sometimes in EHM I'd have one and other times I'd take the reigns over myself.

03-06-2013, 04:08 PM	#6
Peter10 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 53	Was just about to post on the same topic, so i fully agree on this one.

03-06-2013, 04:09 PM	#7
Hocky201 Bat Boy Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 12	Agreed, I don't get that....in OOTP even if you managed games yourself you still had a manager.

03-13-2013, 07:30 AM	#8
Sebmono Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 88	I realize that this is probably beating a dead horse at this point, but I wanted to through my hat in as well, please bring back head coaches for player run teams. From a realism/simulation perspective this seems like a must. From a playability perspective it also seems key since even though you can have the assistant coach take care of tasks for you, you most likely won't be able to hire the best coaches available into assistant positions since they would be looking for HC jobs. Was really sad to take over the caps and see Adam Oates sitting in the jobless pool...

03-13-2013, 01:52 PM	#9
SushamiBoy Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 200	I must agree. The amounts of times that the tides changed in my games because of a well timed sacking/hiring are countless in my EHM games. Even though I'm not his biggest fan, I was excited to see what Therrien would bring to my Habs. On a side note, this may have been addressed, but why does my starting staff for the Habs all have attributes at 0. Kinda sad to have to sack our real life goaltending coach because he actually has 0 in coaching tenders.

03-14-2013, 01:23 PM	#13
sprague All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,924	I think it would be a mistake to have a set up where one is the gm of the Montreal Canadiens, but not have the choice of Scotty Bowman to coach, or the Bruins and not have Don Cherry simply because the game has no space for them. That should be an option. Like in ootp, if I really wanted myself to be the manager, I can create a fictional manager and hire myself. But if I am the GM of the Yankees and want Girardi to manage I should have that option. A similar setup means nothing in the actual game play, just gives a coach to appear on our personnel screen. But it adds more realism

03-14-2013, 03:23 PM	#14
gekkoguy82 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 57	I just wanted to add my voice to the chorus in favor of coaches. They're such a huge part of the sport, it is odd not to have them present in the game. Hopefully we'll see them implemented in a future update!

03-14-2013, 05:45 PM	#15
Flyers Gunner Bat Boy Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 2	I like it. I prefer to manage and coach the squad (I primarily play FM), but for a hockey game, I'd be more inclined to manage personnel and let the coach take care of games.

03-15-2013, 05:07 AM	#16
shaken_bacon Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Whitehorse, Yukon, Canada Posts: 33	Yep, agreed. I'm not Pat Quinn! I can't GM and coach! I want to be just the GM.

03-19-2013, 12:16 PM	#19
geckon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 2,077	I added some ideas regarding personnel and head coaches into internal tool for tracking requests. But still this depends on developers' decision. EDIT: More ideas here: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...personnel.html __________________ FHM tester, fan and former researcher (Czech Republic and KHL) since FHM 1. Last edited by geckon; 03-19-2013 at 05:12 PM.

08-16-2013, 09:31 PM	#20
Claude Luster Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: MA Posts: 3	Just got in today. Couldn't find a way to sign any Head Coach. When I start a game I'm listed as GM and Head Coach...would very much like to be able to have a head coach in charge of things.