Stay put option not working

adion · 10-28-2019, 07:58 AM

I was in the Diamond league and had/have the Stay put option selected but still got promoted to the Perfect League. How does that happen?

dkgo · 10-28-2019, 08:15 AM

LOL that's not what it means but nice try

It keeps you with the same teams who have also selected stay put instead of randomizing a league. At the same level obviously.

adion · 10-28-2019, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by dkgo

LOL that's not what it means but nice try

It keeps you with the same teams who have also selected stay put instead of randomizing a league. At the same level obviously.

That makes no sense and neither does the definition of the setting. If you are promoted or relegated then you are not staying put. So, since it says you will remain in the same league if you were not promoted or relegated, it must mean promoted or relegated at the beginning of the season. Otherwise, the sentence makes not sense. By your definition stay put means you stay in your own league unless you don't! You are not staying put if you are moved to a different league.

Threnodas · 10-28-2019, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by adion

That makes no sense and neither does the definition of the setting. If you are promoted or relegated then you are not staying put. So, since it says you will remain in the same league if you were not promoted or relegated, it must mean promoted or relegated at the beginning of the season. Otherwise, the sentence makes not sense. By your definition stay put means you stay in your own league unless you don't! You are not staying put if you are moved to a different league.

Promotion and relegation are compulsory. That's the whole point. You move up when your team is too good for the competition, and you move down when your team is not good enough. You cannot choose to play against worse competition (nor choose to play in the highest league).

All of the team placement options are within your assigned league level. With friends who are at the same league level, randomly with other teams at the same league level, or staying put in the same league as last year with other teams who also decide to stay put, unless you were promoted/relegated and are no longer at that level.

adion · 10-28-2019, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Threnodas

Promotion and relegation are compulsory. That's the whole point. You move up when your team is too good for the competition, and you move down when your team is not good enough. You cannot choose to play against worse competition (nor choose to play in the highest league).

All of the team placement options are within your assigned league level. With friends who are at the same league level, randomly with other teams at the same league level, or staying put in the same league as last year with other teams who also decide to stay put, unless you were 0promoted/relegated and are no longer at that level.

I understand what you are saying. The language in that section needs to be changed. There actually is no staying put as a selection.

Threnodas · 10-28-2019, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by adion

I understand what you are saying. The language in that section needs to be changed. There actually is no staying put as a selection.

The text is maybe slightly ambiguous, but it makes perfect sense if you realize promotion/relegation happens first, and then you are placed in a league (within your level). You cannot stay put at your *level* - you will be promoted/relegated as needed. But you can stay put in your *league* if you are not promoted/relegated. If multiple teams in a league have "Stay Put" selected, any teams staying at the same level after promotion/relegation will be put into the same league together next year. Try reading the text again after separating the concepts of "league" and "level"; I think it's pretty clear.

CrazyWR · 10-28-2019, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by adion

I understand what you are saying. The language in that section needs to be changed. There actually is no staying put as a selection.

Which part, the part that says "if you were not promoted/relegated" or the part that says "after promotion/relegation" ??

dkgo · 10-28-2019, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by adion

That makes no sense and neither does the definition of the setting. If you are promoted or relegated then you are not staying put. So, since it says you will remain in the same league if you were not promoted or relegated, it must mean promoted or relegated at the beginning of the season. Otherwise, the sentence makes not sense. By your definition stay put means you stay in your own league unless you don't! You are not staying put if you are moved to a different league.

It literally says "after promotion/relegation" in the first sentence. Then just in case you fell asleep while reading that, it says "if you were not promoted or relegated" AGAIN while specifically describing exactly how "Stay Put" works.

You are the only person who seems to not understand it.

adion · 10-28-2019, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Threnodas

The text is maybe slightly ambiguous, but it makes perfect sense if you realize promotion/relegation happens first, and then you are placed in a league (within your level). You cannot stay put at your *level* - you will be promoted/relegated as needed. But you can stay put in your *league* if you are not promoted/relegated. If multiple teams in a league have "Stay Put" selected, any teams staying at the same level after promotion/relegation will be put into the same league together next year. Try reading the text again after separating the concepts of "league" and "level"; I think it's pretty clear.

Stay put means stay put. You don't stay put, regardless of the follow on language. If you can't stay put, it should not even be a selection. If you are promoted or relegated then you are not staying put. If those two things happen, you are staying put. So, the staying put option is not an option. It is all in the language, if you are automatically promoted or relegated you are NOT staying put and you have no option to do so.

webdox · 10-30-2019, 01:16 PM

Your original post was asking why you were promoted to Perfect from Diamond while knowing full well that your team was promoted and was not going to stay put regardless of verbiage and your understanding of it...

Continuing to try and argue some semantics game is futile. The only thing you should be trying to do at this point is find a time machine where you can return to 10 seconds before making your original post and choosing not to do it in retrospect...

adion · 10-30-2019, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by webdox

Your original post was asking why you were promoted to Perfect from Diamond while knowing full well that your team was promoted and was not going to stay put regardless of verbiage and your understanding of it...

Continuing to try and argue some semantics game is futile. The only thing you should be trying to do at this point is find a time machine where you can return to 10 seconds before making your original post and choosing not to do it in retrospect...

No semantics. Just logic and proper English.

Dogberry99 · 10-31-2019, 12:44 AM

The OP has inadvertently highlighted a real problem.

As the in game text states, "'Stay put' means you will remain in the same league if you were not promoted or relegated..." This is a very straightforward description of an available option that can trigger when promotion or relegation do not occur. This description does not even come close to reflecting the true effect of the option. Not unlike the fully explained 'use friends list' option, the selection has no effect except that which is found in our relation to other teams in the league. Additionally, it says nothing about how much of the league - possibly ALL of the league - will be filled with random teams who are newly promoted/relegated or who did not opt to use the 'stay put' option.

If I had to guess, I'd say it was a vestigial structure left over in some form from the original promotion system found in 19 where all teams stayed together. If this is not the case, then I have no idea how the game arrived at this messy crossroads of confusion and misdirection. Luckily, its a very minor aspect of gameplay that few care about and even fewer notice at all

Matt Arnold · 10-31-2019, 01:53 AM

Probably a better description for stay put would be something like this:
'Stay put' means you will remain in the same league as other managers from your league who have also selected to 'Stay put' if you were not promoted or relegated

I mean, it's essentially equivalent to "use a friend list of everyone else in your league who has also elected to "stay put" (with the slight difference is that using friend lists can pull in people from further, if I'm mutual friends with you, and you're mutual friends with someone else, it's likely all 3 of us would end up together using a friend list, but if we wanted to exclude the other person, we could both use "stay put" and not have to worry about "unfriending")

10-28-2019, 07:58 AM	#1
adion All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,376	Stay put option not working I was in the Diamond league and had/have the Stay put option selected but still got promoted to the Perfect League. How does that happen?

10-31-2019, 12:44 AM	#12
Dogberry99 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Wichita Falls, TX Posts: 1,328	The OP has inadvertently highlighted a real problem. As the in game text states, "'Stay put' means you will remain in the same league if you were not promoted or relegated..." This is a very straightforward description of an available option that can trigger when promotion or relegation do not occur. This description does not even come close to reflecting the true effect of the option. Not unlike the fully explained 'use friends list' option, the selection has no effect except that which is found in our relation to other teams in the league. Additionally, it says nothing about how much of the league - possibly ALL of the league - will be filled with random teams who are newly promoted/relegated or who did not opt to use the 'stay put' option. If I had to guess, I'd say it was a vestigial structure left over in some form from the original promotion system found in 19 where all teams stayed together. If this is not the case, then I have no idea how the game arrived at this messy crossroads of confusion and misdirection. Luckily, its a very minor aspect of gameplay that few care about and even fewer notice at all __________________ "And, Masters, do not forget to specify, when time and place shall serve, that I am an [censored]." (Much Ado About Nothing 5.1.255-256) Primary Team Collection Rewards (Cards & Packs) F2P Theme Team Movers F2P Theme and Adam Schlesinger Memorial Team

10-31-2019, 01:53 AM	#13
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 14,117	Probably a better description for stay put would be something like this: 'Stay put' means you will remain in the same league as other managers from your league who have also selected to 'Stay put' if you were not promoted or relegated I mean, it's essentially equivalent to "use a friend list of everyone else in your league who has also elected to "stay put" (with the slight difference is that using friend lists can pull in people from further, if I'm mutual friends with you, and you're mutual friends with someone else, it's likely all 3 of us would end up together using a friend list, but if we wanted to exclude the other person, we could both use "stay put" and not have to worry about "unfriending") Last edited by Matt Arnold; 10-31-2019 at 01:55 AM.

10-28-2019, 08:15 AM	#2
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	LOL that's not what it means but nice try It keeps you with the same teams who have also selected stay put instead of randomizing a league. At the same level obviously.

10-30-2019, 01:16 PM	#10
webdox Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 289	Your original post was asking why you were promoted to Perfect from Diamond while knowing full well that your team was promoted and was not going to stay put regardless of verbiage and your understanding of it... Continuing to try and argue some semantics game is futile. The only thing you should be trying to do at this point is find a time machine where you can return to 10 seconds before making your original post and choosing not to do it in retrospect...