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03-13-2019, 01:02 PM | #41 |
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Ravens add Earl Thopmas & Mark Ingram
Looks like La'veon Bell is going to the Jets.
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As a Browns fan, I'm pleased with it. As long as we're winning I don't think there will be any locker room fuss. Looks good on paper now we have to prove it on the field. |
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03-13-2019, 04:15 PM | #43 |
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Good luck, seriously. Except against the Giants.
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Sure, Odell's something of a headcase, but there are plenty of examples of talented headcases being strong contrbutors to teams willing to take a chance on them because the price is low. The price wasn't low on OBJ, but his status in today's NFL as arguably the league's most famous non-quarterback was going to keep it up there. It's still too low to me, and to the many Giants fans I know and talk to as well. To see Gettleman refuse to play ball with players that don't buy in 100% in this day and age is gonna hamstring the team in my opinion. After Norman left Carolina the team went downhill with a patchwork secondary. Once again, as a Jets fan, I can tell you how ridiculously difficult it can be to get a playmaker of Odell's talent level. Whoever the QB is next, the Giants are gonna have to move up for unless they have eyes on sucking and getting one in 2020, but the team has so few weapons and no baseline on defense. Look at the Chiefs this past season for what a top-flight offense can do with an awful defense. Obviously it's not as simple as going to get a Mahomes, but considering what was in place a young quarterback would've been well set up to have success. Now their cupboard of weapons is pretty bare considering Engram's injury history. I wish Gettleman luck because again I don't think he's a bad GM, but he needs to hit on both picks, and hit hard on one of them, for the deal to have any shot imo. |
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Anyone can pick someone that gets into an NFL game. That's not the problem. The trick, in the 1st 2 rounds, is to pick people that are anchored in for 7-8 years. Gettleman is not a top talent evaluator. He is mediocre. And instead of filling holes, he creates them. Why did the Panthers select DJ Moore & Donte Jackson last year? Because the team still hadn't found credible replacements for Steve Smith & Josh Norman. This is not saying trading OBL was a bad idea. I'm saying expecting Gettleman to turn the beans he got into a Giants' treasure is a mighty high hope looking at his track record.
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BTW, are the Giants going to draft a QB this time around? |
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True, he may look "directionless" after saying one thing and doing another, but this is a good summary of why Gettleman did what he did. I'm thinking that he had this in mind all along, at least to some extent, and what he said to media was immaterial.
Any coach or GM should never allow media and public opinion to influence their decisions. Should they be the wrong decisions, they pay the price of course, but to be afraid of people calling him "directionless" because he made an offhand comment would be a wrong decision as well. An opportunity arose to acquire two good players and a couple of draft choices to get rid of a sideshow, and he took it. Again, this fan will not miss OBJ and his antics and attitude. The "dog peeing in the end zone" was enough for me, talent regardless, but I also look at the record of recent team and personal success, or the lack of it.
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The NFL is full of distractions. New York is full of distractions. The NFL in NYC is distraction central. If you aren't known for being a distraction you will be once you're on a NYC roster.
I will say OBJ's tendency to be injury prone makes him less valuable. No need to have a bunch of cash & your gameplan centered on a guy who is available only 3/4's of the season.
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But I do agree with you about the other aspect: He hasn't had a real impact on team success recently, has he? Sure, he could have a renaissance in Cleveland but maybe not. The tweets, stunts, and incidents are bound to continue, however. You know, all of us talking about Dave Gettleman are missing a big factor that, come to think of it, isn't mentioned in the media stories that I have read about this transaction: John Mara. Mr. Mara is old-school and I GUARANTEE you that he has never forgot about OBJ dog-peeing in the end zone, his partying in Florida in between playoff games, his leaving a game early because his team was losing, his attacking a kicking net (which fought back well), and his questioning the Giants’ heart, his quarterback, and the team’s play calling in interviews. Mara may have ordered this trade. Good for him if so.
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When a player gets unnecessary penalties, when he isn't available on game day, when practice has to pause cause a player is having a meltdown, when he runs plays the way he wants regardless of how it calls, that is disruption. That's when teammates can claim a player's antics is affecting the locker room. The other stuff, they themselves are letting the player affect the locker room. All those "distractions" are nothing but media trying to hype the importance of the petty things they report. They act like having to answer questions about x player's behavior causes chaos. As if the media wouldn't be asking other questions if not for x player's behavior. As you said, no GM should allow the media to influence their thinking process & neither should the players and the rest in the organization.
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I read some draft predictions and a lot of them have the cardinals taking Murray at #1. Some have the raiders trading up and taking Murray.
I just dont see that. Derek Carr was bad for the first 5 games but he did get better. I think they got AB and Williams to see what Carr can do with some legit weapons and not to get Murray. Except for Cook Carr didnt have much to work with. If he fails then next year is when they would go get another qb. |
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They should, and hopefully will, focus on the defense during the draft. Some nice pieces added in FA, now we need to rebuild the "D". |
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If the Giants like Drew Lock or Daniel Jones, they can most likely sit tight at 6. If they want Haskins (assuming at this point they wouldn't pay the price to move up for Kyler), they're gonna have to move up or another team is most likely going to jump ahead of them. |
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I will absolutely give you that Gettleman is not strong in the first round. It was a point I thought I made in my post, but reading back it looks like I missed doing so. That does hold him back, and I was being hyperbolic in calling his draft track record 'great' based on memory over research, but I'd still call it good. He's shown he can select/sign good offensive linemen, which is a major asset in today's NFL. Where I believe Gettleman fails is not in team building from a drsft standpoint, but in in retaining players that go against the grain. It's impossible to build a successful roster of 53 quiet, upstanding citizens in the NFL. Players' platforms are just too great for that to happen. Gettleman needs put aside his pride and work with players more in my opinion (which is more about Norman and Collins than OBJ). Since the deal, he's done well. Golden Tate is perrenially underrated and Markus Golden was a great buy-low signing. I guess where I fall on the OBJ deal now that I've had some time to reflect on it is that, while the compensation acquired was nearly worthwhile, it's just so tough to get a player of his caliber at such a premium position that it's too risky a deal for my taste. |
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I'll give him that he has found a couple of diamonds in the rough. But I maintain his record is mediocre in the 1st & 2nd rounds. When I look at that, I say the diamonds are more of a blind squirrel stumbling on a nut. Because the earlier round talent should be easier to spot.
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EDIT: To play devil's advocate to your point on early versus late draftees, early round picks are often athletic marvels drafted on that merit rather than productive college players, especially in the second round. Usually the productive but unathletic guys are falling to the mid-to-late rounds if they're drafted at all, but give me a Jarvis Landry over a DK Metcalf any day. Also, most players who go later will feel slighted, whereas some players who are drafted early can feel more secure because they're getting paid and their roster spot is safe for at least two years. Not making any excuses for Gettleman, but overall his track record in the second round isn't too bad (Short was a great pick, Funchess was close to expected production for a second rounder, Bradberry has a great season, an awful season and a decent season on his resume, Ealy was a bust and Samuel has been a decent gadget player so far), really it's just the first round.
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