|
||||
|
01-13-2020, 03:54 PM | #21 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posts: 5,736
|
Until they return the trophy and all their rings and get lifetime bans, then it doesn't matter much.
__________________
My fictional team logos and uniforms |
01-13-2020, 03:54 PM | #22 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Parts unknown
Posts: 6,371
|
Commish Goodell has now been put on notice....................
__________________
If a man is guilty 4 what goes on inside of his mind, then let me get the electric chair 4 all my future crimes. - Prince Batdance June 7, 1958 - Apr 21, 2016 |
01-13-2020, 04:24 PM | #23 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: The big smoke
Posts: 15,628
|
One person, the Atlanta GM at the time. Atlanta paid out $16.4 million in bonuses to players who were made FA.
__________________
Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit |
01-13-2020, 04:45 PM | #24 | |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Zürich, Switzerland
Posts: 8,608
Infractions: 1/0 (0)
|
Quote:
I would have to go back and read but I also think they got less money to use in the international prospect FA pool for a few years which further set them back. |
|
01-13-2020, 05:01 PM | #25 |
All Star Reserve
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 819
|
They are also talking Alex Cora Manager of Red Sox and Carlos Beltran Manager of the Mets
Does this rise to level of the "Black Sox Scandal " ? Is there a difference between cheating to win and cheating to lose ? Was gambling involved ? Does this taint Verlander ? Cole ? Other players ? Is it possible in today's game to simply ban all players from baseball ? as MLB did to the White Sox organization .
__________________
Cal. State Fullerton -- NCAA Champion - Baseball 2004 Texas Longhorns -- NCAA Champion - Baseball 2005 Oregon State Beavers -- NCAA Champion - Baseball 2006 and 2007 With unity comes VICTORY ! Last edited by GeoWar; 01-13-2020 at 06:42 PM. |
01-13-2020, 05:25 PM | #26 | |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Corpus Christi TX
Posts: 2,090
|
Quote:
|
|
01-13-2020, 05:36 PM | #27 |
Hall Of Famer
|
Have any players been specifically associated with this?
__________________
5000+ Generic Logos Free for the Taking FREE: Uniforms and logos for 500+ teams spanning 1871-present Great Lakes League: 10 Conferences, 100 Teams Pre-OOTP 23 Custom Cap & Jersey Template v3.0 by Deft and NoPepper (with layers from other various artists) that I use: Caps, Jerseys |
01-13-2020, 05:45 PM | #28 |
Global Moderator
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 28,366
|
They should have been forced to send Verlander home to Detroit.
__________________
|
01-13-2020, 05:51 PM | #29 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: SF Area, California Total Posts: 531,691
Posts: 2,363
|
How does the logistics in this whole thing work? There is a device in CF that reads the catcher's sign to the pitcher, then relays that to the batter?
__________________
JML MILKSHAKES |
01-13-2020, 05:57 PM | #30 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Corpus Christi TX
Posts: 2,090
|
"Have any players been specifically associated with this?"
I get the feeling MLB is afraid to out any players. Too scared of the Union sadly. |
01-13-2020, 06:02 PM | #31 |
All Star Starter
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,361
|
First I'm a bit surprised anything happened. In another thread I said as much maybe a week or so back. As for the penalties I don't really know what else they could have done? This was an organizational issue. Yes players were clearly involved, but when people are put in leadership positions and fail to lead, they have to be among the first to go.
Careers are potentially ruined. Who would hire Luhnow now? Hinch is probably done as a manager now. Cora is probably packing his bags as I type. Then the Astros lose their first and second round picks for 2 straight years. I don't know why people do not think that is a bigger deal than it is? Do people just trade these picks away in their online leagues? I would bet not, so it is probably a lot more detrimental in real life to a real organization. As for people wanting them to take away the rings that gets really hard to do. How do stats change? Do people really stop thinking said team won? They do this in college basketball and nobody cares. They still considered whoever won that year the champion whether the banner are in the rafters or not. What I imagine happens now is that individual player penalties will be negotiated into the next CBA. If they went after a player now the union will fight that tooth and nail. Look how long it took to penalize all the roid heads. I know 80's baseball is sacred to many (myself included) but that is probably the decade where that really began and it wasn't really punished till much later. Last edited by Hrycaj; 01-13-2020 at 06:05 PM. |
01-13-2020, 06:06 PM | #32 |
Minors (Rookie Ball)
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 22
|
Beltran was the only player named IIRC. And certain people have intimated he was one if not the one player who spearheaded it.
The report touched upon basically every Astros player had some involvement or knowledge of it, but even after the investigation it would be difficult to say for certain the level of culpability to each player. Which I can understand, even if I don't like. |
01-13-2020, 06:13 PM | #33 |
Minors (Triple A)
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Germany
Posts: 234
|
Considering they got a championship out of it they'll probably take that punishment 7 days a week. #worthit
Let's say it that way: this punishment surely won't stop other teams from trying to do the same if this is all they'll have to face in a worst case scenario. It's just a slap on the wrist. A lot of times it was players whistling or banging and yet not even a single player was punished? What a joke. The funniest thing is that Verlander - who is so religiously obsessed with integrity of the game - is part of that team. Good job, dude
__________________
F2P Team |
01-13-2020, 06:31 PM | #34 |
Banned
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Ban land in 3...2...
Posts: 2,943
|
|
01-13-2020, 06:40 PM | #35 | |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Parts unknown
Posts: 6,371
|
Quote:
This is especially so since the MLB says the players initiated it and continued it despite Hinch voicing his benign disapproval. Not punishing the players sends the wrong message. Who wouldn't risk breaking the law if they weren't going to feel the discipline? I see no discouragement here to cheating again. Just a "warning" to be more careful next time.
__________________
If a man is guilty 4 what goes on inside of his mind, then let me get the electric chair 4 all my future crimes. - Prince Batdance June 7, 1958 - Apr 21, 2016 |
|
01-13-2020, 06:47 PM | #36 | |
All Star Starter
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,361
|
Quote:
|
|
01-13-2020, 06:55 PM | #37 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Parts unknown
Posts: 6,371
|
I get ya. I only depart @ "they did all they could". I operate more on horse sense than law. So you could be right. But as I've said up here before "your commitment to discourage bad conduct is measured by your willingness to punish it." If MLB is serious about preventing this from happening again then the potential legal fight that might ensue is worth it to set the precedent for the future. The business of competition only survives if the consumer can reasonably assume that the contestants are all playing on a level field.
__________________
If a man is guilty 4 what goes on inside of his mind, then let me get the electric chair 4 all my future crimes. - Prince Batdance June 7, 1958 - Apr 21, 2016 |
01-13-2020, 07:02 PM | #38 |
All Star Reserve
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 819
|
This is in Baseball's statement --- I think that MLB is more more worried about Fan, media and other World leagues response to actions .... In the "Black Sox" scandal it was simply all players a life time ban .
“Assessing discipline of players for this type of conduct is both difficult and impractical,” Manfred wrote. “It is difficult because virtually all of the Astros’ players had some involvement or knowledge of the scheme, and I am not in a position based on the investigative record to determine with any degree of certainty every player who should be held accountable, or their relative degree of culpability. It is impractical given the large number of players involved, and the fact that many of those players now play for other Clubs.” And YET many want more cameras and tech in the game (???) .
__________________
Cal. State Fullerton -- NCAA Champion - Baseball 2004 Texas Longhorns -- NCAA Champion - Baseball 2005 Oregon State Beavers -- NCAA Champion - Baseball 2006 and 2007 With unity comes VICTORY ! |
01-13-2020, 07:33 PM | #39 | |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Parts unknown
Posts: 6,371
|
Quote:
__________________
If a man is guilty 4 what goes on inside of his mind, then let me get the electric chair 4 all my future crimes. - Prince Batdance June 7, 1958 - Apr 21, 2016 |
|
01-13-2020, 10:29 PM | #40 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 4,842
|
Abso-freaking-lutely. Complete cop-out.
Lesson to players: If you're gonna try something this again, keep it on the down-low, especially from the coaches and management. Lesson to coaches & front office: Make sure the players know that we don't want to hear anything about any techno-cheating. Empahsis on "we don't want to hear..." Wink, wink. |
Bookmarks |
|
|